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  •  Assuming the coalition holds... (3+ / 0-)
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    Pesto, sable, kyril

    Remember:  Senate Dems could vote for EFCA with impunity the last time around because they knew it would be vetoed.

    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Salazar (D-CO)

    I'm also not particularly bullish on Franken or Martin.  (I hope you're right.)

    •  EFCA wasn't the Chamber's biggest target in 06 (2+ / 0-)
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      sable, kyril

      They knew they could filibuster, and that Bush would veto anything that somehow made its way through.  They were much more concerned about passing Immigration Reform, which had bipartisan support and would have been signed by Bush.

      This time around, no free passes.  They are going to live in the offices of the Senators you listed there.  Unless American workers can scare those folks more than the Chamber, we're not getting card-check.

      "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

      by Pesto on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 09:59:10 AM PST

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    •  60 is overrated (1+ / 0-)
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      There's a huge difference between voting against legislation that you don't support and not allowing it to go forward to a vote.  Aside from the fact that these guys (and women) aren't in a herd that Reid (or Obama) can pull along at will, you only need 60 who will allow for cloture so that the bill can be voted on.  Even if Dorgan, for example, doesn't vote for EFCA in the end, it's highly unlikely that a good Democratic soldier wouldn't allow the bill to go up for a vote.  When you're in the minority, you use the hammer of "60 votes" to prevent bills you all uniformly don't like.  Here, we know of at least a couple (e.g., Specter) of Reps who showed support for EFCA last time, so there's no reason to think they, too, wouldn't vote for cloture.  

      60 is a magic number created by the press and the fundraisers at the DSCC (not that that's a bad thing), but the reality of Senate life is that a 60 vote majority is really not much different than a 58 or 59 seat majority, or a 61 or 62 seat majority, for that matter.  

    •  For cloture, against the bill? (0+ / 0-)

      The coalition only needs to hold for the cloture vote. If it goes to a vote, all of these Dems could vote against it and it would still pass easily.

      I highly doubt that it would get more than 55 or so votes (at the most) in favor of final passage, but the key is to hold the Dem caucus together on cloture, with the understanding that some of them will be allowed to vote against final passage.

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