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  •  Boycotts are to punish financially (2+ / 0-)
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    Marc Shaiman chose to boycott the company that Mr. Eckern was in charge of (that's what the Artistic Director usually is), they aren't just some "employee", but very much a part of the leadership of that company.

    "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - FDR

    by Vitarai on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:04:09 PM PST

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    •  Tell me where the line is (2+ / 0-)
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      Can they hire an actor who contributed to the Prop 8 campaign?  Use the same ad agency that promoted the campaign?  What about the ushers?

      •  don't tell me (5+ / 0-)

        you can't see the difference between an actor and the artistic director, with whom writers and composers have to work.

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        by taylormattd on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:10:10 PM PST

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        •  Of course there's a difference. (1+ / 0-)
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          But once you concede that, then you concede that there is a line somewhere, and then it's just a question of when it's crossed.

          •  The line is if they fired him (4+ / 0-)

            Adam, your entire argument is based on shifting the lines.

            Your examples of other "employees" being fired for expressing political opinions and this one, where no one was fired for anything is a far bigger blurring of the lines. Mr Eckern chose to resign. That was his decision, and his alone. CMT didn't request that he leave, and if you have evidence that they did, then maybe I'd reconsider. Even then, this was simply a decision of someone (Shaiman) choosing to no longer do business with someone, and that did have a direct impact on the future financial viability of the organization. That Mr. Eckern felt remorse, or responsible for limiting that damage by resigning was still his decision, and not the actions that you equate them with from 2004. He was not denied his right to have his opinion by anyone.

            "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - FDR

            by Vitarai on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:43:47 PM PST

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            •  I think you're being naive. (1+ / 0-)
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              They would have fired him had he not resigned.  How could they not?

              •  I think you're being presumptuous (0+ / 0-)

                By standing by their belief that they do not dictate to anyone working for them hold a specific political view. You keep jumping to a conclusion that didn't happen to make your point. I'm simply not going there.

                Like you, I'd be decrying his firing, for his political views, even if I disagree with them. But he wasn't fired, and Shaiman and others had every right to no longer desire to work with him given those public views.

                I'm curious Adam, what was your position on Don Imus being fired? For or against?

                "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." - FDR

                by Vitarai on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 11:10:59 AM PST

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              •  I suppose... (0+ / 0-)

                They MIGHT have.  You're asserting that they WOULD have.

                The point for the board would be that it would become sane to do so at the point that the cost of firing him, illegally, became less than that of keeping him.

                Time then to ask a lawyer what the hit would be to settle or go to court for firing him.

                But you're ASSERTING that they would have.  We don't know that.

                [When] the land... has become private property, the landlords... love to reap where they never sowed, and demand rent even for its natural produce. ~Adam Smith

                by ogre on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 12:12:50 PM PST

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