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  •  The problem I have with the bailout (0+ / 0-)

    The problem I have with the bailout is that we can give the Big 3 money, but how are we going to convince people to buy their shitty products?  

    The big 3 automakers earned the reputation they have for piss-poor quality, and I'm afraid that unless that changes in a large way, we're just pouring money down a rathole - they're going to be back with their hands out again soon enough.

    •  Their poducts are NOT shitty. (1+ / 0-)
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      You need to come out of the 1970 wayback machine and join the twenty first century with the rest of us.  

      They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20 ~~ Dennis Kucinich

      by dkmich on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:53:39 AM PST

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      •  Buick very good (1+ / 0-)
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        The J.D. Power Initial Quality rankings and Consumer Reports repair frequency ratings for Buick have been very good for at least a decade. My mother's car has been trouble-free.

        There's the rub. A little old lady's car may have top quality, but it it's never going to be cool with the collegiate-and-recently-collegiate crowd hereabouts. And a bad reputation once established is very difficult to live down.

        •  Especially when people are ignorant and (0+ / 0-)

          don't care.  They just keep repeating tired old memes cause it is lazier.  I had an Olds that I used for ten years without any problems. I only sold it because someone needed help.  

          They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20 ~~ Dennis Kucinich

          by dkmich on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:23:53 AM PST

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      •  You need to come out of the 50s (0+ / 0-)

        I'm speaking from experience here.   The oldest car I ever owned was an 1982 Monte Carlo - that car needed a transmission at 77000 miles.  Same for the 84 Plymouth - although that one lasted until 84k.  The 82 Caddy I owned made it to 91k before it needed a new motor, the '87 Chevy Cavalier I owned needed a transmission in the 70s and a motor at around 90k,  and the 2000 F-150 I still own needed a rear end at 60k, a transmission at 101k, and is in need of yet another rear end now.  

        5 American cars, all five of which needed four-figure repair jobs within the first hundred thousand miles.

        On the other hand, having been stranded on the side of the road one time too many, I switched to Japanese cars in 1996.   I've owned three cars from Japanese automakers now (two of which were made in the US), NONE of which needed a major unwarranty-ed repair before the 140k miles.   (my 2000 Honda Accord had a voluntary factory recall that covered fully the free replacement of it's transmission at 95k - can you imagine one of the Big 3 standing behind their products that way?)

        Now, my understnding is that Ford has largely cleaned up it's act quality wise.   But GM and Chrysler?  Not a chance.  

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