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  •  Well, at least Zogby admitted he screwed up . . . (9+ / 0-)

    sorta' . . . kinda'.

    •  He drew a pretty pointed contrast (6+ / 0-)

      between Ziegler's methods and the questions Zogby says he'd ask ... now that it's blow up.
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    •  Faux Apologies Don't Matter (5+ / 0-)

      Zogby can apologize or faux apologize, forever, but it won't change the damage he did with the push-polling. It's like asking the jury to forget what they heard....

      •  See and that's what bugs me about the left (0+ / 0-)

        "Damage" really?  There was no damage.  These ppl already thought AA's were/are stupid.  These ppl don't respect truth or facts.  The only ppl swayed by this are  the wingnuts anyways.  The left seems to fear everyone/everything.  

        "...the fundamentals of our economy are strong"- John Sidney McCain 09/15/08

        by Shhs on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 01:45:43 PM PST

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        •  Really Poor Statement! (0+ / 0-)

          "Damage" really?  There was no damage.  These ppl already thought AA's were/are stupid.  These ppl don't respect truth or facts.  The only ppl swayed by this are  the wingnuts anyways. The left seems to fear everyone/everything.  

          you might want to rethink your comment..unless of course you're intimating that you didn't vote democratic...because if you did of course, you are admitting your own "stupidity" and that you're scared of your own shadow!

          •  Really who do you think Ziegler is going to (0+ / 0-)

            persuade?  He's just preaching to the choir of wingnuts who already have a low opinion of minorities.   Oh and I'm not afraid of my own shadow, I am annoyed  by ppl who went through a whole election cycle, and still don't understand that Ziegler and his ilk are relics.    If anything this poll will create a backlash.  

            Seriously, for the GOP to become a national party the need minority voters.  
            Do you really think this poll helps the GOP get more minority votes?

            "...the fundamentals of our economy are strong"- John Sidney McCain 09/15/08

            by Shhs on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 01:57:43 PM PST

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            •  Anybody Who Will Listen (1+ / 0-)
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              oh..but they aren't relics because here we are yapping about dolts like Zeigler and Zogby on a left wing website.....there were plenty of dems who reluctantly voted for Obama, especially in Western PA, Appalachia and the deep south who could be swayed to change their minds (if thats what we want to call the tiny pea that occupies their cerebellum). Push-polls are never a good thing because they usually tend to slander the other side with fear tactics. It's not always the ignorant, however, who fall for the that type of polling...if push-polling didn't work, they wouldn't do it...

            •  How is he preaching to the choir when (0+ / 0-)

              his push-poll only talked to Obama voters?

              Save the parrots: Drink shade-grown coffee!

              by oscarsmom on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 03:56:54 PM PST

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              •  because the interviews were grist for wingnuts (0+ / 0-)

                not the actual audience. ziegler's essentially trying to get some responses that he can hold up to greater wingnuttia and say "see? they don't believe our lies the truth, they're teh stoopid! hahaha"

                surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

                by wu ming on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 05:05:18 PM PST

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        •  Do we always get (1+ / 0-)
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          the kind of chance we had this year to change some minds?

          I have to elect a Governor, an LG, and an AG in 2009. I could use all the votes from this year that I can get.

    •  The "Poll" Was So Ridiculous (7+ / 0-)

      But then Ziegler opened his stupid, crazy mouth and there goes any "credibility" he might have had.

      Plus, he'll be paying Bill O'Reilly residuals on his "pinhead" insult to Nate Silver for many years to come.  

      I don't know what he thought he was proving by asking people questions based on false premises about totally irrelevant shit (Ayers, Wright, etc.), but if his goal was meant to show the impact the media had on Obama voters, why didn't he ask the obvious question:  "Where do you get the majority of news and information concerning the 2008 presidential election?"


      You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

      by karateexplosions on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 01:40:44 PM PST

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      •  Zeigler's goal wasn't to show anything. (5+ / 0-)

        It was to reinforce the right-wing narrative about "stupid Obama voters" and as such the "poll" was carefully constructed to suit his purposes. He didn't want anything close to the truth in it.

        The stranger question is why Zogby agreed to do it? It's so blatantly skewed that Zogby couldn't have helped but know that it would destroy the last remaining shreds of his credibility. Could he really be that stupid in a business sense?

        •  Where does the rightwing lunitic fringe come up (5+ / 0-)

          with these people?

          They're like weeds, just when you think you've killed most of them off, up pops another one.

          I'd never heard of this Ziegler moron before this.

          "Load up on guns, bring your friends, it's fun to lose and to pretend" Kurt Cobain-1991

          by Jeff Y on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 01:48:33 PM PST

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        •  I Know What His Goal Was (4+ / 0-)
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          His goal was to parade a few Obama voters out, preferably African-Americans, make them look stupid on video, and then extrapolate that out to ALL Obama voters (and on another level, to ALL African-Americans).

          But he claims that his purpose was show the impact that the media had on voters' perceptions.  His thesis is that the mainstream media did not focus ENOUGH on Ayers, and Reverend Wright, and how Obama is a Muslim terrorist.  And regardless of the merits of that argument (or the lack thereof), his purported purpose is belied by the fact that he didn't ask the one singular question that would be most important for proving said hypothesis.


          You can have your "Under God" back when I get my "Liberty and Justice For All" back.

          by karateexplosions on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 01:49:45 PM PST

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        •  zogby's main goal is to make money (0+ / 0-)

          and zeigler paid him a lot to do it. zogby didn't understand that it wouldn't be cost effective in the long run, since he's lost any potential clients except lunatic wingnuts.  He's trying some damage control now, but it ain't gonna help much, I'm afraid.

          A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

          by dougymi on Thu Nov 20, 2008 at 02:52:42 PM PST

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