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  •  Bachmann's Minnesota (0+ / 0-)

    "Minnesota, hats off to thee...." (from the University fight song); the words are right but this is far more dignified and far bigger than Minnesota. This is Norman Rockwell come to life. This is "government OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people"

    Yeah, like the people who just sent Michelle Bachmann back to Congress. Like the nearly precisely half who voted to send Coleman back to Congress, even though they figured out how to send Obama to the White House by 9%.

    I dunno, the scenes of Minnesota unable to tally its ballots even weeks after a 1 day election, with so many people obviously incompetent to just pencil in a couple circles unambiguously, doesn't fill me with respect. It makes me think of weeping, but not out of pride.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 10:07:49 AM PST

    •  Wow, I guess it (1+ / 0-)
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      would have been better to go with the Florida 2000 model, since Minnesotans are obviously not worthy of an honest, transparent recount.

      •  Straw Man (0+ / 0-)

        No, I never said anything of the sort. What I said was that all this cheering for Minnesota's election is cheering for millions of people who voted for obviously bad choices.

        But why not show us what Minnesotans are "worthy of", since you brought it up, by throwing at me a straw man argument that you made up?

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 08:59:48 PM PST

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        •  There's no straw man here - (0+ / 0-)

          I was impressed and moved by the diary, and by the work the people of Minnesota are doing to make sure this election reflects the will of the people.  Even if those people don't vote the way I'd like them to, even though they make choices, such as Bachmann, that are appalling, I'm still cheering for a state that tries to get elections right.  It sounded to me, in both your comments, as though you are dismissive of the process because people made choices that you don't agree with.  I've reread both comments a couple of times, and I can't parse them any other way.

          I repeat, the point isn't who they voted for, it's that their votes will be counted.  That's the whole point of having a democracy.  The most demoralizing thing about the last 8 years has been watching Bush and the neo-cons deconstruct the fabric of democracy, and coming to believe that no one gave a shit.  Obama's success has inspired me to hope again for the future of my country, simply because he kept his word - he campaigned on the issues, didn't go Rovian, and WON.  I'm thrilled to hear about a clean recount in Minnesota because the White Male Riot in Florida 2000 and the Great Diebold Fraud/Ohio + Florida 2004 were body blows, they really wiped out my remaining reserves of optimism.  If the people of Minnesota decide to re-elect Norm Coleman I won't be happy about that, but I'll still be thrilled that it's an honest election.  

          •  Straw Man (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't say the recount wasn't clean, or anything about it. You can go on and on expounding on your feelings about the recount, but I didn't say anything about it.

            It's a straw man. But if you're so obsessed with your feelings that you can't even notice the subject of the comment I posted, then you can keep the rest of this thread to yourself. You're not talking to me, anyway.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 09:38:19 PM PST

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    •  harsh much? (2+ / 0-)
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      jeez, take a close look at any state where people have to actually write on something, and I'll bet there'd be just as much weirdness.  At least in MN we're willing to go back and actually look and count, and not trust some republican corporation's machine to tell us.

      Oh, and please, Bachmann's MN?  How about some respect for highest voter turnout in the nation? ( )

      •  Harsh Minnesota (0+ / 0-)

        My post is just a tiny bit harsh. The millions of people sending Bachmann and Coleman back to Congress are much more harsh, in a way that actually hurts. That highest turnout wasn't quite enough (so far) for people to leave Coleman or Bachmann out.

        But hey, why not attack me, when all I'm doing is telling the truth about Minnesota. Let's applaud Minnesota for turning out in strength to show that Minnesota's idea of Congress is pretty wacky.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 08:58:24 PM PST

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