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  •  then you are lucky (0+ / 0-)

    To live in a country where many others, see yourself and every other pig out there, derive no greater joy than caging their fellow citizens. The OJ example is great, a Vegas jury actually deliberated for 12 hours straignt, into a weekend, to be able to put OJ away for a meaningless victimless crime, just so it could happen on the anniversary of the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman. When the majority of Americans derive such joy out of meting out punishment, and think themselves so omniscient as to know who needs to be punished, Gitmo style trials are an inevitablitly. We can close Gitmo, but at the same time five new state of the art prisons will be built on the mainland.

    Law is a light which in different countries attracts to it different species of blind insects. Nietzsche

    by Marcion on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 11:37:08 AM PST

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    •  Kidnapping is meaningless and victimless? (1+ / 0-)
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      I must ask the question if you have ever had anything bad happen to you as the result of the actions of an unhinged human?  I have.

      I have also been incarcerated for almost a year because of very bad decisions I made, all on my own, so I am not operating in a vacuum.

      Decriminalize victimless drug crimes, sure!  I simply cannot belive that your proposed solution regarding man's inhumanity is to never lock up the serial rapist, never lock up the serial killer.  Sorry, that's just looney tunes.

      Nawww...simply fuck you for thinking that society does not have the absolute right to proctect themselves by incarcerating violent crimnals, like OJ.

      You can't support the GOP and the Constitution at the same time!

      by Arsenic on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 11:52:49 AM PST

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      •  kidnapping? (0+ / 0-)

        That was the most ridiculous charge of them all. Confronting a guy in his own hotel room for a few minutes is kidnapping him how? But the tecnnical requirements were met, and you know the jurors are dying to convict, so some piggy prosecutor threw it in there to inflate his conviction and sentence rates for his next review. Justice was served. Truly dangerous inviduals can be isolated from society and treated without resorting to the creation of a vast network of prisons, which bring out and reward the worst tendencies in both the guards and the inmates.

        Law is a light which in different countries attracts to it different species of blind insects. Nietzsche

        by Marcion on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 11:57:03 AM PST

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        •  Noticied you didn't address the rest (2+ / 0-)
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          How the fuck??/, I'm sorry, lets see if you can get the stupid out of your way to understand this.

          The freedom to move, travel, walk across the room go get a drink of water is about as basic as it gets.  When someone says you can't do that without their permission, brandishing guns, you take that right away, and its a crime.  Its called kidnapping, and the duration of kidnapping isn't germain to the fact that its a crime.

          if I show up at your house with a gun, and tell you 'don't go any where' I just did the same thing.

          Now lets come back to the stupid.  Society doesn't have the right to protect itself from an unrepentant serial killer?  Thats what your saying.  How do you isolate someone from society without incarceration?  It doesn't happen.  Tell me about your walless prisons without guards.  

          Again, have you ever had anybody commit a crime against your person?

          You can't support the GOP and the Constitution at the same time!

          by Arsenic on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 12:10:43 PM PST

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          •  so (0+ / 0-)

            When exactly during your incarceration and/or your victimization did you become an asshole? Why would you think I would debate you in the face of a constant juvenile stream of insults.

            Law is a light which in different countries attracts to it different species of blind insects. Nietzsche

            by Marcion on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51:55 PM PST

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            •  Who says I'm debating you? (2+ / 0-)
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              First, your though stream would have to have have some logic associated with it to engage in rhetorical tools of discussion.  It doesn't.  Asshole?  Whatever. Juvenile?  Naw, that's anger.

              I'm not asking for a debate, I am just pointing out the inane nature of your argument, which has been, in order:
              Never prosecute anybody, that's absurd for humans to do so.
              Never incarcerate anybody, we only do it to weild power.
              Welding power by incarceration is OK, as long as it's for a short time to change someones thinking.
              If they don't change their thinking, keep them incarerated as long as it takes.

              Gee...by the time we get to the end, it looks like the criminal justice system that we have.

              Why don't you just admit it.  The OJ prosecution pissed you off so much that you decided to attack the whole system when attacking the facts in the case became farsical.  When you got challenged you crawfished from you no prosecution standpoint to the incarcerate a sociopath for as long as it takes.

              Sounds like the only debate going on is in your own mind....oh well.

              You can't support the GOP and the Constitution at the same time!

              by Arsenic on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 01:08:40 PM PST

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            •  Juvenile stream of insults? Right, Bubba, (2+ / 0-)
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              hen you are lucky (0+ / 0-)
              To live in a country where many others, see yourself and every other pig out there, derive no greater joy than caging their fellow citizens.

              "The president was writing checks to the Georgians without knowing what he had in the bank," said a senior administration official.

              by perro amarillo on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 02:56:33 PM PST

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              •  I never got around to that...thx (0+ / 0-)

                If they can't see the logical problem, there is no way that he/she is going to notice that we (meaning everbody but him) are called pigs that enjoy caging people for the sheer joy of it.  Twisted ain't it?

                You can't support the GOP and the Constitution at the same time!

                by Arsenic on Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 03:35:51 PM PST

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