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  •  Proposition 8 Agreed With Obama and Hillary. (0+ / 0-)

    Obama, Biden and Hillary--all lawyers, one a law professor, one a veteran of the Judiciary Committee and one a reputed candidate for the Supreme Court--are all against gay marriage. They all believe that the constitutional directives of equal protection, due process, etc. do not mean that same sex marriage must be permitted.

    The Calif. Sup. Court decision mandating the legalization of gay marriage went completely against the positions of Obama, Biden and Hillary.

    Proposition 8 served to reverse a court decision that Obama, Biden and Hillary all think was wrong.

    Show me that river...

    by luckyoldsun on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 03:39:44 PM PST

    •  Who cares? (6+ / 0-)

      The question is what's constitutional, not what Hillary Clinton believes to be best for America.  Try again.

      Gay, straight, black, white...
      Marriage is a civil right!

      by joehoevah on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 03:49:05 PM PST

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      •  I think some people just don't get (3+ / 0-)

        that we live in a constitutional democracy. It's a little scary. I thought bush was a bug, rather than a feature of how electorate understands our system of government. that maybe it was 9/11 and thus they were willing to cede basic constitutional concepts out fo fear. now, as other issues come up , and the level of ignorance is rampant on the so called left as much as it is on the right- i am running out explanations than its just large segment fo the electorate.

      •  Who Cares? (0+ / 0-)

        You do, I think.

        The Calif. constitution--as amended by Prop. 8--does not permit same-sex marriage.

        I doubt the U.S. Supreme Court will disagree with Obama and Clinton and hold that the U.S. Constitution requires that gay marriage be permitted.

        Show me that river...

        by luckyoldsun on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 04:02:11 PM PST

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        •  Wrong, it was an... (3+ / 0-)

          Uconstitutional change.  And besides, it has nothing to do with what I responded to, which was the completely unrelated fact that Hillary Clinton finds it much more politically expedient to favor domestic partnerships over marriage.  Something I do not fault her for, but something that has no relevance whatsoever to the topic at hand.  

          Gay, straight, black, white...
          Marriage is a civil right!

          by joehoevah on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 04:57:32 PM PST

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        •  Prop 8 would be an illegal revision (0+ / 0-)

          The Supreme Court of California will rule on whether Prop 8 would be an illegal revision of the constitution, and a violation of the separation of powers here in CA.  

          The current case is based on California law, not the 14th amendment.

          •  I expect you'll probably win on that. (0+ / 0-)

            The Supreme Court of California is intent on implementing gay marriage no matter what the voters say or think.

            It will be interesting to see what the response is if the Calif. Supreme Court invalidates the amendment. Will the conservative side explode? Will they demand that the legislature put the amendment on the ballot according to whatever rules the court imposes?

            Show me that river...

            by luckyoldsun on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 08:28:59 PM PST

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        •  You left out the Calif Supreme Court (0+ / 0-)

          Have you won money betting on this issue like you have on the anti-Muslim crimes you claim to have identified as hoaxes?

          Your purpose so far at daily kos has been to be a troll and trouble maker.  Has anything changed?

          PaintyKat

          WWYTR? Voting, contributing, supporting, and electing Democrats

          by PaintyKat on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 09:37:01 PM PST

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      •  Who cares? (0+ / 1-)
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        You do, I think.

        The Calif. constitution--as amended by Prop. 8--does not permit same-sex marriage.

        I doubt the U.S. Supreme Court will disagree with Obama and Clinton and hold that the U.S. Constitution requires that gay marriage be permitted.

        Show me that river...

        by luckyoldsun on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 04:03:18 PM PST

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    •  Wow, you're really outta your league here. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Obama's position is posted above (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps you should read it.

      I can see the trolls have arrived.

      PaintyKat

      WWYTR? Voting, contributing, supporting, and electing Democrats

      by PaintyKat on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 09:34:48 PM PST

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    •  Wrong (0+ / 0-)

      Obama, Biden, Hillary Clinton (and her husband) all opposed Prop 8.  
      Not that it makes one bit of difference. marriage equality is the right thing.  

      (-8.12 -7.54) Belief in absolutes is the laziest of delusions.

      by FeastOr on Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 10:00:40 PM PST

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