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  •  You have showed your cards (3+ / 0-)
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    JayGR, You work for a law firm that benefits from bringing in H1-Bs, don't you.

    Ha, Ha, I have figured it out.

    •  Did you? I'm a civil rights attorney. (1+ / 0-)
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      Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

      by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:21:58 AM PST

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      •  It's not like there isn't evidence out there (7+ / 0-)

        See this for a sample.

        It's high time that we depose the lawyers' union -- the licensing requirement for lawyers, which protects precisely no one -- and let in as many H1-B lawyers from India as we can.  Lawyers would start making the $28,000/year they deserve, and real people would be able to afford representation.

        We'll see how quickly the lawyers' union changes its collective mind.

        •  Are they JDs who passed the bar exam? (0+ / 0-)

          If so they can come in on an H1B visa. Let em.

          Yeah there's evidence of abuse of the workers and it appears very few Americans willing to complain to the DOL as the law allows to protect the workers getting taken advantage of but there is little evidence of en masse layoffs and replacements.

          Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

          by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:31:46 AM PST

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          •  Again, the bar exam is your union's protection (3+ / 0-)
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            There is no reason that we can't farm all brief-writing out to India, and why we can't allow pro se litigants to retain them to attend to that task.  Furthermore, there is no reason why attorneys can't be retained as advisers in pro se lawsuits, thereby lowering the cost and increasing access to the courts for people of modest means.

            The bar exam is mostly a reading comprehension test that any capable Indian lawyer could pass with but a few months' study and BAR-BRI.  Frankly, you don't need an education from an ABA-accredited law school to be a lawyer, as California proves conclusively.

            Take down your union, and you'd be singing a very different tune.

            •  Sure. Briefs don't have to be written by lawyers. (0+ / 0-)

              You're confused about what the bar exam is. Indian lawyers (not sure why you're fixated on that country...) wouldn't have the foundation of US and state specific law to pass the bar exam. A few months at Bar-Bri might be enough and in Cali they could become lawyers.

              And again, I don't have merely entry level skills for a lawyer. I know things that take years to learn so I wouldn't be concerned.

              Also, an H1B can be used for an attorney position and we're not crying about it.

              Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

              by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:44:33 AM PST

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              •  Third little piggy with the brick house? (1+ / 0-)
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                You assume that (a) you have 20 years experience and that everyone else has one year of experience 20 times, and (b) the people who pay for that understand it and are willing to continue to pay if a cheaper alternative becomes available.

                May your ingnorance continue to be blissful for you!

                You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

                by Clem Yeobright on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:54:22 AM PST

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              •  I woldn't say that, Jay ... (1+ / 0-)
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                after all, I did pass one with flying colors.  Most state bars largely ignore state-specific law; Cali is among the toughest, because they test the differences between the state's codes and federal procedure.

                As for state law, attorneys can practice in jurisdictions where they are not licensed pro hac vice, so that's a non-sequitur.

                If you take away the de facto lawyers union (the Bar and requirement that you attend an ABA-accredited school), lawyers are as vulnerable as anyone.  Moreover, if you put downward pressure on lawyers' salaries by letting the floodgates in, it will eventually affect you.

                •  No need to take it away since H1B visas (0+ / 0-)

                  can be used for lawyers.

                  As far as the bar exam I recall the state specific and multi-state parts. Has it changed?

                  Also, sure some lawyers can practice in other states but that's certainly not the optimal way to go about it and it requires consent of that jurisdiction which isn't guaranteed.  

                  Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

                  by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:45:01 AM PST

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        •  This is where the whole (0+ / 0-)

          economy is going in deflation.  It might not be a complete negative.

      •  I knew it! (5+ / 0-)

        And you saw how much money you could make  processing H1-Bs. No wonder you show no empathy for people being forced to dig their own graves by training their own replacements.

        Your knowledge of H1-B laws was just a little too informed for you not to have a stake in it.  Now we know what colors your posts.

        •  You knew what? (0+ / 0-)

          That I can do research online is about all you knew.

          You do understand that Title VII cases and H1B visas are entirely unrelated don't you? Your comment suggests otherwise.

          Dig their graves? Perhaps you should get out of entry level positions.

          Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

          by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:46:58 AM PST

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      •   civil rights (4+ / 0-)
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        If you're a civil rights attorney, would you and your colleagues work on making my U.S. citizenship something of value so that I will not be displaced and bypassed when looking for work in my own country, the U.S.A.?  

        It is perfectly legal to force Americans to train their foreign worker replacement (h-1b, L-1, etc,) upon extortion of withholding a severance package if the American citizen does not train their foreign worker replacement.   I know tech workers who have had to sue based on age discrimination because U.S. citizenship does not seem to be a protected category, like gender, age, race, etc.  

        Corporate profits and executive greed trump the value of U.S. citizenship.

        •  Something of value? In most states (0+ / 0-)

          you can be replaced at will by anyone. Would you do away with that?

          Also, what you're describing doesn't sound perfectly legal. It sounds like some form of extortion. Where is the case that says it's legal?

          As an aside, you could sue for national origin discrimination.

          Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

          by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 08:51:02 AM PST

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      •  really? (5+ / 0-)

        They you might examine the disproportionate amount of domestic diversity being fired in Silicon valley and other tech hubs and represent them.  Are you aware that over 50% of all women S&T professionals are out of their careers by their 30's and that H-1B plays a part?  Are you aware of the complete lack of Black engineers in Silicon valley and how they have been displaced in droves?  How about age discrimination?  Since this is institutionalized in corporations, especially the tech areas, why don't you start a class action lawsuit on this practice?

        Instead of posting denial after denial in some comment thread on a blog, nice time sink.

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