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  •  It would seem then that businesses (0+ / 0-)

    would simply fail in that case. Is that what's happening? Considering that there are millions of IT jobs how does 1% of that create such a drastic effect? Or perhaps they're also hiring straight from college Americans as well and doing the same thing?

    Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

    by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 11:59:48 AM PST

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    •  yes. it would. (2+ / 0-)
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      Clem Yeobright, uscitizenvoter

      Have you had a look at the Dow Jones and the S&P 500 recently?

      Yes, the companies, many of which have become totally filled with guestworkers, are now collapsing.

      Oh, and as I already showed, your 1% figure is totally bogus.  Over a third of IT jobs have been replaced by guestworkers.  The 1% is for all jobs in the country, including changing bedsheets and asking, "Would you like fries with that?"  

      •  So the Dow Jones and S&P 500 are falling (0+ / 0-)

        because of the H1B program? That's amusing.

        Show me these companies which are totally filled with guestworkers who are not collapsing.

        Nah. You didn't show me anything with regards to the 1% figure.

        Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

        by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 12:29:23 PM PST

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    •  Clearly, (2+ / 0-)
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      uscitizenvoter, numen

      you have not been following the economy lately.  Check out Best Buy for instance, or CitiCorp, must I go on?

      •  You must go on and you must (0+ / 0-)

        tie that into the H1B program and perhaps you can do some magic on this while you're at it.

        Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

        by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:11:11 PM PST

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        •   Hey, JayGR Do you know Stewie Anderson? (3+ / 0-)
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          numen, bgblcklab1, IT Professional

          Hey JayGR,  

          You are SOO busted.   Stewie is an OBVIOUS shill for the corporate cheap foreign labor crowd.   The fact that you would even mention his "study" shows your bias.   Or perhaps you can explain why you would even mention anything to do with that asshole-traitor anderson.  Remember Harris Miller?   Same ilk.  Remember Jim Webb beat him in the Dem senate primary?

          You can put Stewie Anderson in the same category as Abramoff.   Read Thomas Frank's book,  The Wrecking Crew.  

        •  hmmm (3+ / 0-)

          That's not something in the general purvue, that's something primarily promoted by the AILA, which suggests more and more that you may be a ringer...or a shill...

          As you well know, the study is bunk.  They see that a company hired five janitors and one H1B and conclude that they hired the five janitors because of the H1B.  No dice.  Just think, if they hired a million H1Bs, then they could expand the company by another five million, or billion...

          Nice try, tho...

          •  Interesting excerpt from the U of M article (3+ / 0-)
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            As with previous legislation, ACWIA 98 contained provisions that claimed to protect U.S. workers. In particular, a notion of "H-1B dependent" employers was established, defined to be those whose workforces consisted of at least 15 percent H-1Bs. Previously, the H-1B visa did not require an employer to recruit U.S. workers before filling a position with an H-1B (nor did the old H1 program). Now ACWIA 98 held H-1B dependent employers to such a requirement.
            Yet this provision in the new law was doomed from the outset. The 15-percent threshold applied to all employees, not just programmers and engineers. Most employers would have enough nontechnical workers (marketing people, secretaries, janitors etc.) that even if their programming staff were, say, 50 percent H-1B, they would still not fit the definition of H-1B dependency. In addition, the industry put heavy pressure on the DOL to implement the law in a manner that further restricted the scope of the H-1B dependence provisions. It took the DOL two years to issue regulations regarding the provisions, and in the end only 50 out of 50,000 H-1B employers were declared to be H-1B dependent.

            You kids behave or I'm turning this universe around RIGHT NOW! - god

            by Clem Yeobright on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:14:38 PM PST

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          •  What's not something in general purvue? (0+ / 0-)

            The Google provided it. Take it up with them.

            You'll need to prove that the study is bunk. Perhaps you can prove that they hired five janitors for every H1B.

            Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

            by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 03:58:53 PM PST

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        •  JayGR Please change your tagline to (5+ / 0-)

          something more appropriate.  Here are some suggestions:

          Lawyers rule!

          How can there be a problem with the economy?, I'm OK.

          Employees complaining? Don't worry, my law firm will help you replace them, with indentured servants.

          •  Except that you're not complaining. You're (0+ / 0-)

            apparently simply letting the employers abuse the law and making shit up. Still waiting for the proof that the H1B program caused the failure of Citigroup and the rest of the crap you spouted.  

            Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

            by JayGR on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 04:01:04 PM PST

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        •  Material For Stupid People (4+ / 0-)

          Anyone can write a "study". The great thing in the lobbying business is that it allows news outlets to say "according to a study by...", giving them deniability when the study is totally bogus.

          Here the study claims "The data show that for every H-1B position requested, U.S. technology companies increase their employment by 5 workers."

          If each H-1B worker request translated into 5 employees, the question then becomes did the H-1B workers create those jobs or are these companies just happening to hire 1/5 of their workers on H-1B. In statistics, this is correlation.

          In getting value of 5.4 hires per H-1B, the study has an R-squared value of .0687. The author calls this "relatively low". In fact, it is ridiculously low, one showing that there is no correlation betwen H-1B and hiring. (The study's explaination of this low r-squared value is laughable, suggesting the author knows no more about statistics than plugging values into minitab or spss.) Physical scientists generally accept r-squared values of greater than around .90 to be significant. While social scientists tend to be a bit more loosy-goosy in this area, a value of under .50 is clearly a null result (Publishing results based upon a value of .0687 simply takes brass ones.)

          The text here says one thing (h-1b creates jobs) while the published numbers show another (there is no correlation between H-1B and jobs).

          As far as a lack of H-1B visas causing jobs to move offshore goes:

          - After congress temporarily increased the visas quota to 195,000, Microsoft told its managers to find things to offshore. - Go to and search the filings for H-1B. You'll see all the foreign offshoring companies complaining that a lack of visas will hurt their business.

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