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  •  This is legit but I still don't agree with what (3+ / 0-)
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    he did. Standing outside the police dept demanding anything, confronting police in a verbally threatening manner is asking for trouble.  Reading the article this guy seems like a hot head.  He could have gone to the city/town above the police  file a complaint but he insisted on pushing..stupid, stupid, stupid.  Even if they did have it out for him, what did he think was going to happen?

    Dang, how about these numbers-> -8.00,-7.38 Does this make me the reincarnation of Gandhi?

    by HGM MA on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 04:47:14 AM PST

    •  His problem STARTED with the City Council (3+ / 0-)
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      and Mayor.

      The War on Drugs is $40 billion a year of Government waste.

      by ben masel on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 05:02:23 AM PST

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      •  His second arrest started with him hounding the (2+ / 0-)
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        police;

        Grapski said he got upset when he heard that Alachua Police Chief Robert Jernigan went to the Kangaroo gas station in Alachua to look at a check Grapski used to pay for gas four days prior.

        Grapski said that he felt Jernigan was breaking the law and invading Grapski’s privacy when he did more than just ask Grapski’s bank if the check was a good one. Grapski said Jernigan needed a search warrant to start asking questions about whether Grapski’s check would have been good on other days

        "When I asked him about him inquiring about my checking account at the bank, he said, ‘Well, the bank didn’t have to give me that information.’"

        At that point, Grapski said, Jernigan received a phone call, then walked inside the lobby of the police department and locked the outer doors. Grapski said he went up to the doors and knocked on them, saying, "I want to file a sworn complaint."

        The doors opened and out came Jernigan and another police officer. Jernigan told Grapski to leave, but Grapski said he kept asking for somebody to take his sworn complaint. Jernigan said he told Grapski that if he wanted to file a sworn complaint, he could do so with the State Attorney's Office.

        Jernigan said he told Grapski to leave or else be arrested for trespass.

        During this, according to Grapski, the other officer moved closer to Grapski and kept saying, "Is he under arrest yet?"

        Grapski, who had been recording the entire incident with his digital audio recorder, said he felt that something bad was about to happen and reached out to hand his recorder to a man nearby whom Grapski knew.

        "The officer slammed my hand down and knocked the recorder to the ground," Grapski said.

        He said that at one point, the officer almost stepped on the recorder as Grapski tried to kick the recorder to his friend. Grapski said he then remembers being grabbed and restrained, then swung around, with his head hitting the police department’s outer doors.

        "At that point, I got dizzy," he said. "I don’t remember what happened for a while after that. I don’t remember being taken through the lobby. The first thing I can remember after that is being in the department’s inside hallway."

        He said that he remembers putting his foot in a door so they couldn’t close it.

        "I said, ‘I don’t trust you,’" Grapski said.

        But according to Alachua police reports, Grapski actively resisted arrest by kicking Jernigan in the leg, head-butting another officer, then kicking another officer in the hand.

        Link here

        If he wasn't getting anywhere with the Police Dept Internal Affairs division and the mayor was part of the problem the next step would have been to go to the county commissioner.  The point is that this would have happened anywhere, if I march down to my local police department and become verbally aggressive and ignore their request to leave I'm going to find myself in jail pretty quickly.

        Dang, how about these numbers-> -8.00,-7.38 Does this make me the reincarnation of Gandhi?

        by HGM MA on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 05:27:40 AM PST

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        •  No doubt some poor judgement, by his own account. (5+ / 0-)

          Maybe disorderly, but not a felony.

          The War on Drugs is $40 billion a year of Government waste.

          by ben masel on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 05:38:21 AM PST

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        •  Video of the arrest (3+ / 0-)

          About 38 minutes into this:

          http://video.google.com/...

          [Sorry, can't embed google video at DKos]

          The "assault" charges are trumped up. The whole incident was caught on video.

          He was at a public hearing, at which he was supposed to present info on the voting fraud issue, and was arrested (before his testimony) for the "crime" of talking to the person who was sitting behind him during an intermission between speakers. You can see the whole thing transpire starting at 35 minutes in the video.

          There's a lot going on here.

          Charlie's not a saint, but he's also clearly being railroaded.

          I wasn't aware that in the US, you had to be perfect to be worth defending.

          You don't need to protect me from someone else's spelling, grammar, extra posts on a topic, or use of quotations.

          by mataliandy on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 08:39:10 AM PST

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          •  Thanks for proving my point... (0+ / 0-)

            he is no political prisoner, he is no different than anyone else wrapped up in our flawed legal system.  And the incident you’re speaking of is his first arrest.

            Dang, how about these numbers-> -8.00,-7.38 Does this make me the reincarnation of Gandhi?

            by HGM MA on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 09:03:26 AM PST

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            •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

              That's the second arrest.

              The initial arrest was for felony wiretapping. That's where the political angle comes in.

              He was trying to get "on the record" information from the person who won the election that was in question because of questionable ballot handling, using a tape recorder, with permission, placed in the open during the interview. That person happens to be not only the mayor, but the police commissioner.

              The arrest above was in a subsequent public hearing in which he was supposed to present evidence related to the questionable ballots.

              The 3rd arrest was for going to the police station and trying to file a complaint against an officer who accessed his bank records illegally and without cause.

              The last (4th) arrest was deserved, but since it was a misdemeanor and the complainant doesn't want to file charges, it's not on its own worthy of being held without bond.

              You don't need to protect me from someone else's spelling, grammar, extra posts on a topic, or use of quotations.

              by mataliandy on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 09:27:40 AM PST

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          •  Re: video of the arrest (0+ / 0-)

            mataliandy is correct in stating that the assault charges are trumped up, but the video she is referring to was Charlie's second felony arrest, in February 2007. He was charged with "trespassing" and literally dragged out of a city commission meeting for no legitimate reason. We have video of the entire meeting and the entire arrest, which was presented as evidence to the State Attorney. Those charges were never prosecuted (a conviction would have been impossible), but Charlie was banned from attending Alachua city commission meetings as a condition of bail, and he was defamed as a violent and irrational menace for months.

            Those bogus charges were only dropped after the THIRD false arrest took place in August 2007. Those bogus assault charges are the ones Charlie is currently facing (along with the stupid misdemeanor from his Oct. 12 arrest on game night).

            By the way, in April 2007 Charlie ran for Alachua city commission and won over 20% of the vote in a three-way race, despite being out on bond for violent felonies. That was the election where the city manager disqualified ALL THREE challengers and declared the incumbents re-elected, prompting yet another lawsuit (see High Springs Herald articles for details) to force the city to hold the election.

    •  You're one of the few here that's got it right (2+ / 0-)
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      Charlie's a friend but he bring's a lot of this on himself.

      •  When a citizen is denied service and/or (0+ / 0-)

        attacked by the agents of government, the problem lies with the agents of government who are not permitted either by the state or federal Constitution to behave this way.  

        The object or victim of behavior is not responsible for the act.  The agents of law enforcement can claim otherwise, but the fact remains that under our system the government is "we the people" and the agents of government are merely our servants.  Getting them to recognize that is a challenge.  Nevertheless, even the Supreme Court has signaled in decision after decision (starting with Hamdan) that it agrees.  The Constitution is designed to limit the behavior of the agents of government.  It is not a permit for the agents of government to rule.

        When they issue legal orders, they may expect to be obeyed.  However, given the paucity of training in the law that our police are being provided, they have a tendency to rely on their instincts and "leave it to the judge" to sort it all out.  There was a thought that if police officers were required to attend college or university before certification, they'd be better prepared and know something about the laws they are supposed to enforce.  That was a mistake.  Understanding of the law is not something college student absorb by osmosis.  The only practical result of college degrees has been higher salaries to start a career.

        Full disclosure--I have been arrested and booked into the Alachua County jail.  The matter was dropped because, in fact, the arresting officers were outside their jurisdiction, as I was attempting to inform them and which they didn't want to hear.  It was a mistake not to file suit for false arrest, which I regret to this day.  It does not pay to be forgiving when one is dealing with hoods acting under the color of law.

        How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

        by hannah on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 10:48:12 AM PST

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    •  Have you ever dealt with a corrupt and obstinate (5+ / 0-)

      local "good old boy" government. They don't like the "people" actually exerting pressure on them. Charlie is persistent, and makes mistakes because he is human like all of us, but he is not a law-breaker. They are trying to intimidate and harass him into submission. That was a big mistake.

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