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  •  It must be nice to live in a state with this (4+ / 0-)

    claim to election fame, instead of California where I am faced with our election shame.

    On November 4, 2008 the nice guys finished FIRST!

    by voracious on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 11:42:56 PM PST

    •  To be fair nearly half of Obama's pop vote (5+ / 0-)

      margin came from CA.

      •  Well, all of that was lost in our pathetic (6+ / 0-)

        approval of Prop 8. An initiative I never believed would pass because Obama was expected to win big here. In fact, I still can't believe it passed. Shameful.

        On November 4, 2008 the nice guys finished FIRST!

        by voracious on Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 11:48:39 PM PST

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      •  Obama rec'd . . . (1+ / 0-)
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        a net of 1.8 million from New York;
        600,000 from PA;
        1.2 million from Illinois;
        600,000 from Washington/Oregon;
        500,000 Mew Jersey;
        800,000 from Michigan, etc.

        In other words, California's margin was half of the popular vote total.  But it was off-setting votes somewhere else that McCain won.

        e.g. if we took the net contribution from only the states Obama won, you'd find he won by a lot more than 7 million votes and California's net would be a smaller percentage of that total.  

        Another way to look at it -- Obama's combined margins from Illinois and New York were greater than those that came from California.  The combined total from those three states equals the margin.  Yet there's another margin of 2.5 million from just the states listed above that made that net margin possible.

        •  Thanks for this. (1+ / 0-)
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          That CA meme was ridiculous.  

          Obama made inroads all across these great United States.  Come on.  

        •  So George should we just flush the 3million plus (0+ / 0-)

          margin from CA down the drain?  I think not.  Get real people the fact that CA has gone big for Dems in the past 5 elections has done a lot to boost Dems national numbers.  Just look at 1988 when Dukakis won NY but lost CA he only got 46% of the vote.  CA does much more than "offset" loses it makes expands margins plain and simple.

          •  Of course not. (0+ / 0-)

            But seriously, it's the electoral vote that wins presidential elections.  

            That's point 1.

            When you say that California essentially single-handedly produced HALF the Obama victory margin, your math is misleading.  

            Effectively Illinois and New York combined produced the same margin 3 million vote net as California with fewer voters.  The District of Columbia produced a 200,000 net for Obama with only about 230,000 total voters.

            The total vote margin from states that Obama won without California was about 10.5 million votes -- 13.4 million including California.  

            So California's contribution to the overall margin of states won is closer to 20 percent of the tally (2.9 million out of 13.4 million).

            California is obviously the biggest vote haul out there, but if we're talking about credit, I'd say put it in perspective.  

            Clearly a lot of people did a lot of hard work to get the job done across the country and California was a big part of that equation (in terms of the dollars pumped into the campaign, volunteer hours in places like Nevada, and flipping California itself).  

            But it wasn't California that delivered the nomination in the Spring.  Even subtracting out California this election cycle, Obama still wins the presidency with 310 electoral votes -- better than George W. did in 2000 or 2004.  And Gore and Kerry both lost with California solidly in their column.

    •  Don't beat yourself up over it (5+ / 0-)

      As a registered Virginia voter (I live in Singapore), I don't even want to speculate on the margin by which Prop 8 would have passed in the Old Dominion. The turnout just might have pulled Virgil Goode over the finish line, too.  Really, the fight to turn Virginia blue is just beginning, though this was a big shot in the arm!

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