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  •  Good points, dansac. (6+ / 0-)

    An excellent addition to a very useful discussion.

    "What we've seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed." -- Barack Obama

    by TomP on Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 09:06:33 AM PST

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    •  I agree that it's useful, but I do think (5+ / 0-)

      it'll be time to move on from it soon.   Although, it does hint at larger questions as to what the netroots' role should be moving forward.  I'm sensing lots of confusion and identity crisis.

      Strategy '08: Obama vs. the other guy

      by dansac on Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 09:09:21 AM PST

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      •  That's why the discussion (3+ / 0-)
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        is important.  Our role in a Democratic administration is a new thing, and working it out with some balance with take time.  As you say, we can do both.

        "What we've seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed." -- Barack Obama

        by TomP on Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 09:10:25 AM PST

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      •  I don't see confusion (5+ / 0-)

        As much as I see genuine differences.

        To me, we're a progressive movement first. We allied with a non-progressive, Barack Obama, because we had mutual interests and goals. We saw him as the most likely person to help create favorable conditions to implement our agenda, not because we ever really saw him as one of us (anyone who did was clearly not here in September 2005 when Obama made his only visit to Daily Kos, to attack us for criticizing Senate Dems over the Roberts nomination).

        To others, we are Obama's foot soldiers, and our job is to blindly trust Obama's leadership and do whatever he asks us to do in pursuit of his own agenda.

        It's a huge divide and one that can never be easily reconciled.

        I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
        Neither is California High Speed Rail

        by eugene on Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 09:15:30 AM PST

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        •  why must you always use derogatory terms against (2+ / 0-)
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          people on your side who disagree with you? Why is Obama a non-progressive, IOW, a regressive?

          I'm getting really tired of this unending strawmen. Can you please point to a single diary or post that suggests we should blindly follow Obama?

          •  There have been dozens (2+ / 0-)
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            With titles such as "Barack Obama is smarter than you" and "Apparently I know Barack Obama (and you don't)" and content to match - it flabbergasts me that they even made the reclist.

            I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.

            by Jacob Bartle on Wed Nov 26, 2008 at 10:41:25 AM PST

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            •  So if I say Einstein is smarter than me, that (0+ / 0-)

              means I'm going to follow him blindly? I'm sure there are comments saying give the guy a break, he's pulled off something unimaginable a few years ago. Prolly means Obama has got some smarts, doesn't mean though that they are blind followers. Most of the comments like the ones you are referring to have a more nuanced reason attached to them. I've not read an absolute loyalty diary or comment yet. Saying wait till you see his actions/policies doesn't mean blind allegiance. I'm all for scrutinizing his picks but for people who would rather wait, that's cool too. All I'm saying is that there are people who would like to have a bit of a breather before we go ballistic on BO and they are not cultists or non-progressives.

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