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  •  So.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...when Robert Byrd gives a rousing floor speech about Iraq failures and Bush failures, you clench your fists and say, "Damn that Klan man!!!"?  

    It is pure bigotry to say that ALL Mormons feel the way that those who worked to pass Prop 8 felt.

    Good God, this website is getting more uncomfortable and more unbalanced by the day.

    •  Byrd is no longer a Klansman. (2+ / 0-)
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      Christin, galore

      That's the point. If Reid were an ex-mormon, obviously this post wouldn't apply.

      It is pure bigotry to say that ALL Mormons feel the way that those who worked to pass Prop 8 felt.

      Notice I didn't say that. What I said is that the LDS church is functionally a hate group (in addition to a kooky space opera religion), and even if any given member doesn't ascribe to its hateful philosophies, having him as Majority Leader gives the group more legitimacy and should be opposed on that ground.

      •  You do realize that virtually nobody knows or (2+ / 0-)
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        joehoevah, thethinveil

        cares that Reid's Mormon? His status does not affect the (already poor) image of that church.

        •  Two thoughts. (2+ / 0-)
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          Christin, galore

          You're right, I think. Still:

          1. I think there's a principal here. I'm trying to imagine someone saying the same thing regarding someone in a different hate group, and I can't. The KKK is too strong of an example, probably, because no one would join the KKK if they themselves weren't a white supremacist. Maybe the right analogy is to a country club that the politician joins because he enjoys the golf course and the company of the other members, but the country club also donates tons of money and lobbies intensely to make it illegal for, say, Jewish people to marry. I can't imagine supporting that person for Senator, much less Democratic Majority Leader.
          1. I'll admit that I'm concerned about the LDS church's ability to phone in for favors from individual members. Remember, theirs is a hierarchical, revelatory religion. Their leaders claim the exclusive ability to speak for God. I know this argument has been used against Catholics too -- fears that they'll be slaves to the pope -- but I think it has more merit here. First, I think most LDS members as a practical matter are much more obedient to their leadership than Catholics. When the manager of the Harvard Business School endowment fund had a particularly good year, then-LDS President and Prophet-In-Chief Hinckley called him up and told him God wanted him to quit his job, move his family to Utah, and manage the BYU endowment instead. And he did, immediately. Okay, so what? Well, it's true that politicians are generally accountable to the public for their actions, but the Senate Majority Leader is in charge of all sorts of parliamentary strategies and tactics that aren't necessarily transparent to the voters. Rather than just voting a certain way, he can prevent a vote from happening, or make it contingent on something else, or attach it as a rider to another bill, or make sure the relevant committee is staffed with people who are or are not friendly to a particular clause. And, frankly, given that the LDS Church has demonstrated such overwhelming hatred to gay people, and given that everyone is hopeful that some federal statutory progress can be made towards gay equality before 2012, I'm particularly worried that a phone call from Salt Lake City could cause legislation promoting equality to run into all sorts of mysterious snags and parliamentary dead ends.

          So I guess I was being pretty simplistic in my other posts, but I do think it's reasonable to oppose him on the basis of his religion for this job, at this time.

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