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  •  You're wrong to do it. (1+ / 0-)
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    galore

    Put in "Muslim" or "Jew" in the title of your post and you would get a much different reaction.

    Let's try the substitution with the body of my post and see if it works:

    Muslims gave 77% of the funding and an even greater proportion of the phonebanking and canvassing. Proposition 8 was the Muslim Church, despite their attempts to hide it.

    Doesn't work. It's factually false now.

    Jews gave 77% of the funding and an even greater proportion of the phonebanking and canvassing. Proposition 8 was the Jewish Church, despite their attempts to hide it.

    Again, doesn't work. Mormons are simply not analogous to Jews or Muslims in this case.

    And that shouldn't be a surprise. If I wrote a post entitled "I don't support him because he's a Republican," and you replaced "Republicans" with "Black people," that would make a mainstream sentiment here into a racist one. The question is whether, in this context, the LDS Church is acting as a religion or as a political organization. If it's the former, it's arguably religious bigotry. But if it's the latter, it's guilt by political membership, which is completely fair, especially on a partisan site like this one. The above two substitutions show that it is the latter.

    The LDS Church created a massive, massive political machine with the sole purpose of stripping rights from people. I want to hold it politically accountable for that political operation. But because it's also a church, it claims that such accountability is religious bigotry. But it's not; I'm attacking a political operation that in this conversation is only incidentally a religion, and people like you who go along with the Church's argument are being played.

    Reid had nothing to do with what the Mormon Church did and the ballot passing in CA.

    Except that he presumably gave 10% of his income to the organization that rammed the amendment through. Take a look at this other post for more reasons why it's acceptable to oppose Reid on the basis of his membership in the LDS church.

    •  I honestly disagree with you (0+ / 0-)

      Do you have proof that Reid donated 10% to the Mormon Religion specifically to defeat Proposition #8? I don't agree with Proposition #8, but the Mormon Church was well within its first amendment rights to support it. Maybe they crossed the tax-exempt line by actively electioneering for it, but it was their right to support Proposition #8.

      And to be honest I'm really tired of the blanket attacks against the Mormon religion here. I agree that the church actively supported Proposition #8, but that doesn't mean that every member agreed with the organization.

      I'm gay and Catholic, but I don't agree with my church on issues related to contraception and homosexuality. I go to Mass regularly, but that doesn't mean that I support my religion on every 100% of the time. It seems like you're making that argument about Reid, which is blatantly unfair to him.

      I think that his being a Mormon isn't justification enough to oppose him. I'm sorry but I just don't agree with you.

      •  No kidding. (0+ / 0-)

        Do you have proof that Reid donated 10% to the Mormon Religion specifically to defeat Proposition #8?

        Does it matter? If someone donated 10% of their income to the KKK, or even to a flagrantly racist country club, would that be okay? Or is there a double standard for gay people?

        I don't agree with Proposition #8, but the Mormon Church was well within its first amendment rights to support it. Maybe they crossed the tax-exempt line by actively electioneering for it, but it was their right to support Proposition #8.

        Total red herring -- such a bad argument that I question its honesty. Are you suggesting that it's not my first amendment right to withhold my support from him? Wouldn't it be his first amendment right to support reinstating Jim Crow, or banning Jews from marrying? And wouldn't it be our first amendment right to oppose him on those grounds?

        You're confusing a legal right with a moral right. Legally he is allowed to support whatever he wants. Morally, Proposition 8 was bad, and the people who support it did a terrible, terrible thing and absolutely deserve to be punished within the bounds of the law.

        And to be honest I'm really tired of the blanket attacks against the Mormon religion here.

        Yeah, they're the real victims here, aren't they? Not the hundreds of thousands of innocent people that lost their fundamental human rights for no reason other than the hatred of the LDS Church. And poor George Wallace, too, while we're at it.

        I think that his being a Mormon isn't justification enough to oppose him. I'm sorry but I just don't agree with you.

        And in your world, "I just don't agree with you" justifies a troll vote, I guess. And yet, according to you, it's me who's trying to stifle speech.

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