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  •  "It" being (0+ / 0-)

    the War of Northern Aggression Civil War.

    "Kestrel...a shit storm is coming. Drop me a line in November and let's see how things worked out." - Larry Johnson

    by kestrel9000 on Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 07:08:36 AM PST

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    •  reminds me of a quote i heard (1+ / 0-)
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      someone asked a rebel prisoner why he was fighting and he answered "because you're here."

      "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

      by Cedwyn on Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 09:04:38 AM PST

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      •  That is true (0+ / 0-)

        and the rejoinder to it is-

        And y'all fired the first shots in anger- at us. That's why we're here, to put down this insurrection.

        "Much law, but little justice": Proverb

        by Dave925 on Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 12:01:05 PM PST

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        •  to which the rejoinder is (0+ / 0-)

          the south wouldn't have fired had they been allowed to secede.

          "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

          by Cedwyn on Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 04:38:45 PM PST

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          •  And that would be incorrect (0+ / 0-)

            There had been no attempt to put down secession when the Confederacy turned it into a shooting war.

            That just shows Lincoln was better at PR than the Southern Oilgarchs. He that loses his temper first, loses, so to speak.

            "Much law, but little justice": Proverb

            by Dave925 on Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 10:34:47 PM PST

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            •  heh (0+ / 0-)

              a hundred and forty three years later, and you're still pissed off.
              You remind me of guys I knew in VA who had rebel flag stickers on their cars with the words, "Help! They're still invading!"
              Maybe you should get one that says, "Help! They're still revolting!"
              (Go ahead with the obvious pun. You know you want to.)

              "Kestrel...a shit storm is coming. Drop me a line in November and let's see how things worked out." - Larry Johnson

              by kestrel9000 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 01:14:31 AM PST

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              •  Nope not pissed off at all (0+ / 0-)

                But the facts are the facts and I like nothing better than to gobsmack those who pine for the "Lost Cause" with the facts. The facts destroy the propaganda that has saturated and distorted this sorry episode of American History. It's been going on since 1877 and too many people believe it.

                Well, I'm here to tell you it's all bullshit. The South made their own damn bed and by god they will lie in it.

                The proper term for this war by the way is;

                "The War to Put Down the Treason of the Southern Oligarchs".

                ;)

                And that's the truth.

                "Much law, but little justice": Proverb

                by Dave925 on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 09:05:19 AM PST

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                •  what are you saying? (1+ / 0-)
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                  that the civil war wasn't fought over secession?  that south carolina just woke up one day and decided to fire on ft. sumter?  

                  "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

                  by Cedwyn on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 09:58:22 AM PST

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      so much aggression that's why it was Cadets from the citadel that fired the first shots of the war on Jan. 12, 1861. A full three months before an organized attack was launched on Fort Sumter.

      No matter how wingnuts would like to re-write it, it was their philosophical ancestors that fired the first shots.

      And after getting their asses kicked, they whine about "aggression". Fuck that.

      "Much law, but little justice": Proverb

      by Dave925 on Thu Nov 27, 2008 at 12:04:00 PM PST

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