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  •  I like the "We removed a brutal dictator" meme (5+ / 0-)

    Yes responsible for killing thousands of his own people.

    Better we kill hundreds of thousands in the process of removing him.

    It could be argued that Lincoln killed millions of Americans in an effort to quell a rebellion. Difference of course being, Saddam -- and especially his sons from what I've read -- took a perverse pleasure in it.

    Who's to say, with intense diplomacy and regional pressure, we couldn't have convinced him to hold legitimate elections and stand by the results. It recently happened in Pakistan, no?

    Or am I wrong in that logic?

    I am a liberal - I question authority, ALL authority.

    by Pescadero Bill on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 10:35:03 AM PST

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    •  Who's to say... (3+ / 0-)
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      ...we couldn't have just done nothing? Why on earth should we have taken it upon ourselves to make Iraq have legitimate elections?  

      I must assume that you are too young remember the "good old days" of the 50s and 60s, when "bringing democracy" to the rest of the world was standard (and bloody) American foreigh policy. The reason the Bush and Clinton administrations settled for containment is that they actually learned the lessons of the past.

      As for your question, no, I don't think we could have ever convinced Saddam Hussein to hold legitimate elections and stand by the results. Not that this was ever our goal anyway.

      •  And I can only assume you're of the (0+ / 0-)

        libertarian mindset.

        The stand-back-and-do-nothing isolationist creed.

        And, no I'm not too young to remember the "good old days". And I know all about the double speak of "bringing democracy to the world" and its true agenda of overthrowing legitimate (and not) governments to "spread" the exploitation of their resources for our corporations.

        Trying to stop genocide and despots and in essence really working for peace is a worthy goal. But let's leave the guns and CIA spooks at home.

        That's all I'm sayin'

        I am a liberal - I question authority, ALL authority.

        by Pescadero Bill on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 07:58:31 PM PST

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    •  logic good; add factoids: (4+ / 0-)

      US used Saddam when he was "their sonuvabitch," got rid of him when he was no longer useful.

      US simply cannot both square itself with the facts and with behavior that respects the values US says it stands for.

    •  Saddam offered to leave for $1 Billion (6+ / 0-)

      His request for $1 billion to go into exile was scoffed at...so we could spend a trillion $$ or more to massacre a million Iraqis while pretending we were liberators.
      George Bush wins the "Hitler Prize" for the most people killed since WWII.
      It will be displayed prominently in the Hall of Horrors in his library.

    •  I don't think we did anything to help Pakistan, (0+ / 0-)

      that was entirely the Pakistanis' doing, and they really put their lives on the line, and in huge numbers. Bush supported Musharraf, which, then again, now that I think about it, may have helped the movement against him.

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