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  •  Liberals and NDP need to form permanent... (1+ / 0-)
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    galaxy33

    Liberals and NDP need to fomr a permanent alliance if the lefties ever want power again.  It goes further than simply combining their totals and saying that the Conservatives still have the numbers, because in how many ridings does the NDP and Liberal candidates split the lefty vote, allowing the Conservative to win the riding?

    Canada is going to end up with a two party system like the US because Harper was smart enough to consolidate the right.  He's left the left no real choice on the matter.  And if they don't form an alliance on the left, the Conservatives will forever be in power.

    With Dion a lame duck though the Liberals with the more seats, he is probably in the best position to approach Layton about an alliance.  

    Only other alternative would be for the Liberals to get a new leader and try to claim the political middle, however given the Canadian system it will be harder to do because a charismatic leader can't come along and steal moderate/centrists  Conservatives like Obama did.

    •  Not going to happen (0+ / 0-)

      Would be like a pigeon forming an alliance with a hawk.

      Don't turn your back or you'll get eaten.

      Behind every great man, there's a woman saying "Stand up straight"

      by captainlaser on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 02:44:43 PM PST

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    •  What's really needed (1+ / 0-)
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      Is electoral reform so the NDP can have a chance at governing themselves.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
      Neither is California High Speed Rail

      by eugene on Fri Nov 28, 2008 at 03:22:11 PM PST

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      •  What is most needed is Pro-Rep (5+ / 0-)
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        Proportional representation like they have in the Scandinavian countries, Germany and New Zealand to name a few. For example the Bloc Quebecois and the Green got about the same amount of the popular vote.(about 8-9% each) That translates in the current system to 49 seats (about 16%) in the House of Commons
        for the Bloc and zero seats for the Greens.
        That's not democracy and people stay home as a result, the last election had the lowest turnout ever.

        •  yes, exactly (0+ / 0-)

          proportional representation is a heck of a lot more democratic than the US's two-party system.

          i've lived under coalition government half of my life, and i much preferred it, even though it made for less stability -- i've always felt more represented than i do in systems where winner takes it all.  minority governments can be ok, but i've not liked harper's; he does not listen enough to the opposition parties.

    •  Liberals have won when Conservatives were united (1+ / 0-)
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      The most recent examples were during the Trudeau era. They've had their share of majority governments, even running against both the NDP and Conservatives.

      However, there are differences today. The Greens take up to 10% of the vote. The PQ takes at least 1/2 of the Quebec seats, which were classically a Liberal stronghold - if I'm remembering right, between the Duplessis era up to Brian Baloney (Mulroney). There's more, I hope to get Laurier on my reading list someday. But those are digressions.

      With the Greens, left of center votes are now split three ways - four ways if you count the PQ as a sort of (John C.) Calhoun-like left of center force.

      To me, it seems philosophically more likely that Liberals and Greens would get together - Dion did stake his party last election on a cross of carbon (tax). (intentional allusion to William Jennings Bryan). However, it would take Liberal candidates willing to step aside - and explicitly support Green candidacies in specific ridings.

    •  That will make things worse (0+ / 0-)

      The Liberals are often powerful but not often leftist.

      Without the NDP we would not have any medicare.

      Without them, we will certainly lose the auto industry and the union movement.  

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