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  •  Thanks for this Brandon (28+ / 0-)

    It's good to know that people in the know have a conscience and understand that the worst of the worst has been visited upon people due to the Bush Administration.

    Never let anyone forget.  Americans don't torture.  The Neo-Con's do.  They will do it again if we ever allow them back in power, so don't ever forget to keep telling your children and grandchildren what a disgrace this Administration has been to our country and the world.

    The Republican Party's agenda to subjugate average Americans is so rotten, it smells worse than the toilet seat on a shrimp boat." Aristotle

    by funluvn1 on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 03:19:15 AM PST

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    •  I wish it were that simple (8+ / 0-)

      and that our efforts to stop torture--protests, marches, letters to congresspeople, letters to editors, donations to anti-torture lobby groups, etc--were enough to remove the stain from the nation's global image.  

      National reputations endure long beyond the whims of individual leaders.  Only years, if not decades, of more rational, thoughtful policy, a clear renunciation of torture as an illegitimate (and failed) practice, a partnership with other nations in creating and enforcing international treaties, will allow the world will forget America's torture policy in the early 2000s, I suspect.

      •  Only the most awful retribution allowed by law (11+ / 0-)

        directed at those who ordered, incited and commanded torture will wipe out America's collective guilt for war crimes committed in Iraq and in the GWOT.

        What would Germany be if we had allowed the Germans in 1945 to simply say, "let's let bygones be bygones, shall we?", and allowed the Nazi leadership to simply retire into comfortable obscurity?  What would America be if we had allowed that to happen?

        Yes, torture -- along with other war crimes -- is a collective crime, for which there is collective guilt, if the majority allow it and fail to punish those most responsible.

        Hang them, or we will all pay in blood for this.

        •  And, by the way.... (6+ / 0-)

          The "Global War on Terror" is a propaganda fiction to get people to thinking in terms of "us vs. them."  If you use the synonym, "War on Fear," it quickly becomes totally illogical; how does one conduct a war on fear?  Who are we fighting?  The ghosts of the 19 hijackers from 9/11?  They died with their nearly 3000 victims.  Most were from Saudi Arabia, but no one suggested we invade them.  All 19 were part of an international gang of thugs who represented no one but themselves.  They had no authority to speak for anyone but themselves.  They were not a part of any country's military forces.  19 criminals acting alone with low-tech weapons (boxcutters).  That was not a formal declaration of war; it was a humongous criminal act that killed nearly 3000 people, yes, but it was not an act of war.

          The very MOST that should have happened after 9/11 is that international law enforcement agencies go after the criminals.  Using military force to go after a gang of rag-tag criminals in the middle of nowhere who are totally at home in their mountain fortresses is ludicrous.  Russia found that out a few years ago when they occupied Afghanistan, had to withdraw from Afghanistan in embarrassment because they never could find these people who seemed to melt into the hills.

          Bhutto said on a video not long before she was shot that OBL was dead.  Georgie disbanded the office that was looking for OBL.  He's repeated several times that he never thinks of OBL, and, of course, there was that notorious "joke" where Georgie was looking under tablecloths and desks for OBL.  Now, if the Israeli army can track little rat-sized rare rodents in the desert from a spy satellite thousands of miles out in space, why can't anyone find the most wanted man on the planet using spy satellites that take photos so detailed they can spot a dime from thousands of miles out in space...?  Hmmmm?  I think OBL is dead, but he sure has been convenient to resurrect every time Georgie and Dickie have wanted to scare sheeple half to death (not to mention Congress Critters) and make us "voluntarily" give up our rights and privileges - we've strenuously objected, but Congress Critters voted against their constituents anyway.  Practically every law passed since Jan. 2001 needs instant repealing, not to mention all of the executive orders and signing statements.

          Anyway, the "GWOT" is a cruel hoax because nobody attacked us on 9/11 (committed criminal acts on behalf of themselves, the criminals, yes, but no country's army attacked us and formally declared war via their diplomats) we're only fighting in Iraq due to the illegal invasion that Georgie ordered (a war crime under the Geneva Conventions), and in Afghanistan (we have permission to be there), but that idiot Georgie (or Dickie) has been lobbing bombs into Pakistan and could get us into a war in a third country before inauguration day if he doesn't stop.  And it will be all their fault, but we'll pay for their lies and war crimes... again.  I notice if we turn around and look behind us that no one is following Georgie's and Dickie's lead on this "GWOT"....


          by NonnyO on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 06:39:16 AM PST

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          •  Zarqawi was reported dead in March 2004 (0+ / 0-)

            He was unable to escape bombing in northern Iraq due to his artificial leg.

            A Jordanian extremist suspected of bloody suicide attacks in Iraq was killed some time ago in U.S. bombing and a letter outlining plans for fomenting sectarian war is a forgery, a statement allegedly from an insurgent group west of the capital said.

            Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq "during the American bombing there," according to a statement circulated in Fallujah this week and signed by the "Leadership of the Allahu Akbar Mujahedeen."

            The letter supposedly written by al-Zarqawi to al-Qaeda leaders was said to be fabricated.

            The leaflet in Fallujah said the "fabricated al-Zarqawi memo" has been used by the U.S.-run coalition "to back up their theory of a civil war" in Iraq.

            "The truth is, al-Qaida is not present in Iraq," the leaflet said. Though many Arabs entered the country to fight U.S. troops, only a small number remain, the group said.

            "We had to help hundreds of them leave for their own protection because they were only a burden on the resistance. It was difficult to hide them" from Iraqi informers cooperating with U.S. forces, it said.

            "Chance has put in our way a most singular and whimsical problem, and its solution is its own reward." -Sherlock Holmes

            by The Anomaly on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 07:33:43 PM PST

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            •  "The truth is, al-Qaida is not present in Iraq," (1+ / 0-)
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              My team of interrogators had successfully hunted down one of the most notorious mass murderers of our generation, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq and the mastermind of the campaign of suicide bombings that had helped plunge Iraq into civil war.

              Hmmm.  Seems like Alexander still doesn't know what went on in Iraq.  He appears to still think al-Zarqawi was the head of al-Qaeda in Iraq and it's all Zarqawi's fault there was a war there.

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              by vernonbc on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 09:24:03 PM PST

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        •  Absolutely (5+ / 0-)
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          "Throwing the bums out" with a flourish, was step number one, but it won't be enough to restore our integrity unless we hold them accountable.

          Picture an argument held decades from now with someone praising the US, and another person saying "well they were torturers during the ME wars at the beginning of the century."  Will person number one be able to reply "Yes, but then there was a backlash against Republicans in elections, and as soon as they elected a Democrat in the White House and took substantial majorities in Congress, they investigated, indicted and put people in jail for all of that.  Then they repealed and changed laws so it could never happen again."

          Will person number one be able to say that in years to come?

          "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

          by joanneleon on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 06:44:07 AM PST

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      •  This very point is one that (4+ / 0-)
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        is so unsettling to me.  The long term effect of our international reputation will be very challenging for President Obama.  I wonder what he will do to begin to rebuild our world standing.  I have had the opportunity to travel outside our borders and have "chatted", a by-product of going outside to smoke, it leads to very interesting conversations!,with people of all stripes from different areas of the world.  My discussions were most interesting because so many people understand the way the SCOTUS gave the presidency to bush/cheney and that we as people are basically good people and don't subscribe to the ways and ideas of these criminals.  I am hopeful that as soon as President Obama begins to do things to correct and dismantle some of the evil ways we have done things in the last 8 years, people around the world we begin to forgive.

        •  I don't know about this (2+ / 0-)
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          we as people are basically good people and don't subscribe to the ways and ideas of these criminals.

          Americans aren't really much different from any other people - we act in our own interests and believe in our own superiority.  What in our history shows that we are "good people"?  Our nation was founded on slavery, upon land stolen from a race of people we exterminated.  How does that make us "good"?  

          "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

          by Subterranean on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 08:10:37 AM PST

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          •  What makes us good (2+ / 0-)
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            is the times in our history when we listen to our founding fathers' enlightenment idealism and take action to make those ideas reality in our society.

            It is not a smooth, unbroken progression from then to now.  There are also many Americans who either do not subscribe to enlightenment idealism or who can be bought off with trinkets.  

            Sometimes we move backwards, and getting back to where we were in the late 60's-early 70's will look like progress.

            But what makes us good are those moments, rare though they be, when we do the right thing.

            •  But if other countries we're trying to influence (0+ / 0-)

              … follow our example then Tibet, for instance, will always be a part of China—some Dalai Lama a few incarnations into the future will have to settle for a half-hearted apology, a "Tibetan Heritage Appreciation Day," and a casino license.

              When "doing the right thing" is often postponed so long that little remains besides a hollow gesture, is it enough to make us good?

              See the national finals of Dutch children's chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen's 2008 Song Contest December 14 in Hoorn!

              by lotlizard on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 03:40:51 AM PST

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