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  •  Like To Tell Me What Torture Is? (1+ / 0-)
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    ibonewits

    The Vietnamese secret police were kind enough to move their torture room across the compound when I visited.  It was very decent of them to accommodate Americans.  A major had previously asked about the screaming next door and was told that a man was being "beaten with electricity."  The French Foreign Legion had thoughtfully left behind the electrodes and knowledge of how best to employ them.

    Eventually we Americans did even better with imaginative refinements like tiger cages - with no more success in the end.

    Are you certain, absolutely certain, that all who are questioned without electrodes do not know of their helplessness as captives?

    Enjoy frogmarching do you?  Seen anyone after gentle persuasion of interrogation?  Heard of any false confessions without accompanying beatings?

    All of us have a primitive brain.  You think you alone of all humans do not?

    Best,  Terry

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      mattman, ibonewits

      Frogmarching in the sense you suggested we have wanted, Rove, is just leading someone to a police car in handcuffs. That is not torture. Putting electrodes on someone to get them to tell you something is torture. One is just embarrassing and one is physically degenerative and morally reprehensible.

      •  Measures of Reprehensibility? (1+ / 0-)
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        ibonewits

        Putting electrodes on someone to get them to tell you something is torture. One is just embarrassing and one is physically degenerative and morally reprehensible.

        A teenager came home from church and found his mother brutally murdered.  It took interrogation of only a few hours to get a confession from the teenager.  

        Later that confession led to a conviction though the teenager was

        a. Probably incapable of the brute force applied.

        b. In church.

        The young man was eventually freed when neighbors raised funds for an appeal, at least one even mortgaging his house.

        Embarrassment only?  Captivity and confinement is meaningless you think.  

        Mental torture is torture. Rather obviously the teenager was particularly vulnerable but it is a common theme of all interrogation.

        The threat is more powerful than the execution.

        -Aaron Nimzovich, chess theoretician

        Best,  Terry

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