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  •  people should worry about pandemics (1+ / 0-)
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    rini6

    but that's "public health" and a different component of the health system.

    The idea that "I care about A, and it's a problem, so therefore don't pay attention to B" is incorrect and illogical. A may be more pressing than B, but it is a problem of a different sort.

    Review what happened in 1918 to see why. And before you dismiss it the way people dismissed a NOLA cat 5 hurricane pre-Katrina, think again.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 07:27:22 AM PST

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    •  I understand the danger of pandemics and (2+ / 0-)
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      DemFromCT, rini6

      I'd say that with our piece meal - anemic - approach to healthcare in this country that we are far, far more vulnerable than most other industrialized nations are.  If you have the flu and no access to a doctor, you're more likely to spread the disease and it is more likely to kill you.

      •  yes and yes (2+ / 0-)
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        inclusiveheart, rini6

        I agree with you that pandemic hype (different than real and active planning) is not helpful. I also agree that that current health crisis is the priority. however, it's all of a piece. Health reform without public health reform leaves us vulnerable, and it's the public health folks that track flu and recommend vaccines, etc.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 07:36:45 AM PST

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        •  It is my hope that a good healthcare system (1+ / 0-)
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          will help the public health folks do their jobs better - catch these things before they get out of control - help them identify the first few victims to speed the development of a vaccine.  

          I have never disagreed that there is a public threat posed by viral diseases.  I trust the scientists and even know some of the people who work in this field.  I have though objected to the Bush Administration's use of this threat to scare people whilst refusing to actually do the very things that would help reduce that threat.  But what else is new from the Bush Administration?  Remember their solution to this threat was to make plans to lock down entire cities after we'd been hit.  Rather than looking at the drivers for illness in this society and finding ways to create conditions in which we are a healthier society across the board - so that we have a better chance of living through these viral events.

    •  I will add that my Great Grandfather died (3+ / 0-)
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      of an absessed tooth because he did not have access to healthcare.  Recently here in DC a young boy died of an absessed tooth because his family did not have access to healthcare.  My Grandfather's story is one that I always thought we in this country had left to the annals of history.  It is ridiculous that we are repeating that history.

      •  the problem is staggering (2+ / 0-)
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        and very real. And unlike the McCain team, we don't think going to the ER is the answer.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 07:38:37 AM PST

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      •  What the heck is it that teeth (2+ / 0-)
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        aren't part of your body? Sigh.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 08:04:08 AM PST

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      •  Yet we're willing to let adults die (1+ / 0-)
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        in favor of only pushing for health coverage for children, when we could cover both.

        That's the part I don't understand - throwing uninsured adults overboard because we don't have the courage to ensure coverage for all.  Its silly, its wrong, its tragic.

        •  I'm not and SCHIP isn't remotely good enough. (1+ / 0-)
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          For instance, a parent gets sick and can't afford to go to the doctor - so the parent gets the kids sick - where if we would treat the adult at the first sign of illness we'd be more likely to help keep the kids from getting sick.  I mean it is really stupid to think that we are "saving money" by only covering the kids - we may well just be spending more money as a result because say three kids who might not have needed treatment are all of a sudden in the system.  We could have treated one person and then we end up treating three instead.  I'd say that's teh STUPID.

      •  Even insured people have died from absessed teeth (1+ / 0-)
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        This story has become an urban legend healthcare horror story.  I have seen people who have access to healthcare die from absessed teeth.  Called Ludwig's Angina, this condition starts with poor oral hygeine, neglect of daily brushing/flossing and in the insured people I have seen die,  a fear of going to dentist. An abscess in any part of the mouth or body can be deadly.

        •  Not an urban legend since it actually happens n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 08:53:07 AM PST

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          •  Preventive tooth care (0+ / 0-)

            My point is, a six year old with an abscessed tooth is the fault of the parent, not the broken health care system. That cavity came from the parent putting the kid to bed with a bottle, not teaching the kid to brush and floss, allowing too much sugar and inadequate calcium intake. It's not right to blame "the health care system" for a six year who died from a rotten tooth. Since we starting adding fluoride to water, teeth don't rot as easily unless simple oral hygiene is neglected. Take some responsibility for our own good health.  Free, universal health and dental care will not solve the increase in diseases due to lack of exercise, overeating, and poor parenting.

            •  You should learn about the story before (1+ / 0-)
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              taking your grand personal responsibility stand here.

              Deamonte Driver, a 12-year-old homeless child, died Sunday in a District hospital after an infection from a molar spread to his brain.

              At the time he fell ill, his family's Medicaid coverage had lapsed. Even on the state plan, his mother said, the children lacked regular dental care and she had great difficulty finding a dentist.

              http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

              Given that this kid was homeless and probably eating whatever he could get at shelters, you might want to take this up with the foodbanks.  And damn his mother for not insisting that these kids find a public restroom each morning and evening where they could brush and floss properly. sheesh

              Not for nothin', some people are just born with problematic teeth.

              •  That's a powerful post (0+ / 0-)

                inclusiveheart,
                and your persistence and wisdom in addressing the needs of this deceased 12-year-old, Daemonte Driver, and his mother and family, along with our nation's homeless, are appreciated.
                You reached out to many minds and hearts today.

                Strength through Peace.

                by Billdbq on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 11:27:21 AM PST

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    •  Flu (0+ / 0-)

      The day will come when another Flu pandemic like 1918 or far worse will sweep the globe. You count on nobody being ready.

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

      by Blutodog on Sun Nov 30, 2008 at 07:54:48 AM PST

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