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  •  My point is that the idea of SCHIP (0+ / 0-)

    is a fraud. It's a diversion from the real issue. In fact, I hate when politics is conducted at the level where we do things for our children. Screw the children. Do things for the people who need them now and not in 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70 or 80 years from now. I even was turned off during the campaign where I kept hearing Obama talk about the future or our kids when he should have been talking about fixing now and not so much later. That was my point. SCHIP is a sham debate. Who, in their right minds would turn away a sick child, but that is what SCHIP turn the debate into? It's not about children. It's about health care being available to all.

    •  screw you and empower the kids ;-) (0+ / 0-)

      The fact is that kids need health care, it's real, it's effective and it is no sham. Just because others also need health care (real and no sham) doesn't invalidate what's done for kids.

      You don't like it? Country outvotes you 7 to 3 (but at least you're not alone).

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:04:42 PM PST

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      •  DemfromCt, you are embarrassing (0+ / 0-)
        •  facts are facts (0+ / 0-)

          you can have your opinion but you can't have your own facts.

          Kaiser/Washington Post/Harvard Low-Wage Workers Survey [June, 2008]

          Does any child in your household currently have health insurance through Medicaid or your state's children's health insurance program, or not?

          Subpopulation/Note: Asked of those who have children under age 18 living in their household (46%)

          49%  Yes, any child has health insurance through Medicaid/SCHIP
          49   No child has health insurance through Medicaid/SCHIP
          1    Don't know
          1    Refused

          Kaiser Health Tracking Poll: Election 2008 [September, 2008]

          (I'm going to read you some different ways to increase the number of Americans covered by health insurance. As I read each one, please tell me whether you would favor it or oppose it.)...Expanding state government programs for low-income people, such as Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program, to provide coverage for people without health insurance...Do you favor or oppose this?

          72%  Favor
          21   Oppose
          6    Don't know/Refused

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 06:15:19 PM PST

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          •  Again you prove my point (0+ / 0-)

            The issue is not low income people vs. middle income or children vs. adult. This is easily seen to be what's known as divide and conquer, which is the US way of doing business, and it is sick and perverted. It's why I criticize your defense of SCHIP. The issue is not this segment of people vs. that segment. It's about health care for those who need it. In fact, I argue that one's health is a fundamental right under the US Constitution.

    •  by the way (0+ / 0-)

      the only crime would be if it stops with kids. It needs to continue to be universal for all. But the idea that a desire for universal coverage must be played out as hostility to kids is ludicrous. These are not either/or choices, but treating kids makes more sense to me than futile end-of-life care, which is what eats up health dollars.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 04:07:37 PM PST

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      •  That is what you do when you urge proposals like (0+ / 0-)

        SCHIP. I am not the one who wants to give health care to some and withhold it from others. My original point, which I maintain is unchallenged and correct: health care for children is not a priority. Health care for sick people is. I don't know what bug crawled up your butt or why the hostility, but my point remains 100% unchallenged and fundamentally correct. Let me repeat it so it's clear: it is offensive and divisive to urge proposals like SCHIP when children, on the whole, do NOT need health care. It's simple human biology or is it chemistry or physiology?

        •  what I challenge is your contention (0+ / 0-)

          that health care for kids is not a priority. While it's my opinion that you are incorrect, it's a fact that your contention is unsupported by the American electorate, who routinely support children's health care and overwhelmingly want SCHIP passed.

          It may not be your priority (and you have a right to your opinion), but you are demonstrably in the minority.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Tue Dec 02, 2008 at 06:03:44 PM PST

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          •  Correct, health care for children is not (0+ / 0-)

            a priority. How you don't see that to even argue this is not only silly, but, importantly, it distracts (see our dispute) from the real issue, which is health care. The issue is not health care for children, or the poor, or the aged. The issue is simply health care, and these piecemeal approaches are designed to maximize someone's profit.

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