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  •  I totally dig what you're saying, but... (4+ / 0-)
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    etherapy, ivote2004, RiaD, Lexpression

    ... "growth" might not be measured in terms of sheer output/consumption but in terms of efficiency.

    What if we could grow twice as much food on the same amount of land, using the same amount of water and fertilizer, leaving the land the better for it?  Wouldn't that be a good thing and a sustainable thing?

    What if we could produce cars from garbage and run them on a quarter the energy and harvest that energy from the ever-blowing wind and the ever-shining sun?  Wouldn't that be a sustainable model of growth?

    I guess what I'm saying is that growth might not be an incremental "add x to y every z" equation.  It might be more of a "get more y for your x every z" type thing.  

    •  And I forgot to say... (3+ / 0-)
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      etherapy, ivote2004, RiaD

      ... nature is the most efficient system, the ultimate "steady state" system.  The goal should be toward 100 percent efficiency --> 0 waste, like nature.  

      •  Nature grew, based on solar input (2+ / 0-)
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        etherapy, ivote2004

        Our growth comes in the form of transforming solar energy into wealth.  We have transformed the solar energy stored in fossil fuels into wealth, but we have wasted a tremendous amount of it.  The less of our precious inputs we waste, the richer we become.  Just look at what nature accomplished.

        Consumption is not the answer.

        by Lexpression on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 06:43:45 PM PST

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