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  •  Socialism (3+ / 0-)
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    etherapy, Dave925, blackthorn

    for me has always been a social organizing idea, not an economic system per se, although, obviously, economics is a large part of any social structure. The idea that Socialism is in opposition to Capitalism has been proven to not be true, as many European countries have shown.

    The opposite of Socialism is individualism, not Capitalism. However, the rights and needs of the individual must never be excluded from any social structure. There will always be a "tension" between the individual and the greater society; between the singular and the group. This will always be true, as it should be. This "tension" is the proper realm of what we call "politics", and will be with us forever.

    Political systems that are not organized for the benefit of the many should be discarded. Political systems that interfere with the rights of individuals are also untenable. Both the "good of the many" and the "good of the individual" must be respected.

    I call myself a "Libertarian Socialist".

    "If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy." -teacherken

    by offgrid on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 07:45:38 PM PST

    •  That's not true. (2+ / 0-)
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      Socialism is contrary to capitalism. And socialism is actually synonomous with individualism. Only when everyone has adequate material resources and leisure time can we get around to being individuals. In other words, only when we aren't under the tyrannical control of capital will we be truly human.

      Ultimately the point of socialism is to eradicate the mode of production that exploits labor in order to generate capital. So they really can't co-exist. That would be like saying feudalism and capitalism go well together, when in fact they are mutually exclusive economic systems. Same with capitalism and socialism.  

      •  Not thinking outside the box (1+ / 0-)
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        The northern European countries have shown that Socialism and Capitalism can coexist.

        What is needed is a better defined organizing principle. We need to return to the idea of revocable corporate charters. To the idea that corporations are created to provide a public benefit, and not just to generate profit for the owners. It doesn't mean that the owners can't profit, but that profit can't come at the expense of the public good.

        You are right about ending "the mode of production that exploits labor in order to generate capital". Instead, we need to utilize labor to generate benefits to the general population. That will mean, in many instances, direct public ownership, but in other instances it can be accomplished through private endeavors.

        Socialism synonymous with individualism?? Where do you get that?. I can see saying that about Communism, but Socialism presupposes the existence of a State, which is the opposite of individualism.

        "If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy." -teacherken

        by offgrid on Mon Dec 01, 2008 at 08:55:09 PM PST

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