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  •  Bullshit. (7+ / 0-)

    "Firstly, the real poor don't buy gas, cos they don't have cars"

    A lot of poor people ONLY have cars. And live in them... but more importantly, the higher the gas prices, the higher the prices of goods like food. We've destroyed the rail distribution system in favor of a truck-based economy. If anything, until there is a better solution, diesel tax should be cut. That would help the poor a lot.

    •  but wouldn't that (2+ / 0-)
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      senilebiker, Vladislaw

      further promote truck-based distribution?  How about working on getting the rails back, and working on locally-produced food systems?

    •  numbers? (2+ / 0-)
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      oldjohnbrown, DBunn

      I hear people trot out this argument all the time and it just isn't true.  Do you have any numbers to suggest what percentage of the cost of food at the supermarket is the cost of diesel used to bring it there?  I really doubt it because the cost is actually very small in proportion to the overall price of the food.  

      Long haul trucks move something on the order of 100 ton-miles per gallon of fuel.  So even if your food travels an average of 1500 miles and you buy 50 pounds of food at the supermarket in one trip, that's about $3 of diesel to bring you that food.  For people in rural areas, that's may be how much gas it cost them to drive their car to the store and back.   The cost of diesel is not a large part of the cost of food...  

      •  woops I meant $1.50, not $3.00 (0+ / 0-)

        a little math error -- I overstated the cost of diesel to move the food in my calculation.  1500 miles times .025 tons is 37.5 ton-miles, which is .375 gallons of diesel, which costs maybe $1.50.  It's even more trivial a cost than I claimed...

      •  Sure. This summer when gas was more expensive, (0+ / 0-)

        Milk in my supermarket was a dollar higher than it is today and if you look at the history, food and goods prices increased as the rail system disappeared.

        Not to mention the ecological difference in using one train to pull many cars vs. one truck to pull a couple of trailers.

        •  correlation is not causation (1+ / 0-)
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          oldjohnbrown

          Milk prices depend on more than diesel prices.  It is silly on the face of it to suggest that an increase in diesel costs led to an increase in milk prices of a dollar a gallon.   Is you milk made of diesel?  

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