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  •  Basic economics (2+ / 0-)
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    ppl can fly, Vladislaw

    Europeans have a largely similar income, and a fairly similar lifestyle.

    The main difference that affects the type of vehicle in Europe is gas prices. Having lived in Kuwait where gas is less than $1 a gallon - permanently, I know that the cost of gas influences your choice of vehicle.

    How do you expect to achieve that change of consumption pattern without a gas price increase. The Model T did 20 mpg, not so different from the current US average. How far have we got in 100 years?

    As for the politics, this would be linked into the way the revenue is spent - I can't work out what the gas tax revenue would be - too many  zeros, but it is one big carrot

    •  Europeans have a lot of things we don't- (3+ / 0-)
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      Tuffy, weasel, happy camper

      Much shorter distances to travel, a far better public transportation infrastructure and, most importantly, many parts of Europe cannot support bigger cars and SUVs. The roads are too narrow to handle them. This is already a major cause of problems in London. Last time I was there, the buses had to stop running normal routes up some roads because there were too many cars parked and the roads were too narrow to let the buses through.

      •  Distance (2+ / 0-)
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        Arken, Prognosticator
        is the huge difference between Europe and America. I am driving down the eastern seaboard to Atlanta this week end, a five hour trip by interstate. Now, at 70 mph, how far can a person drive in Europe for five hours? 300+ miles. Now how wide is England?

        Europeans are surprised how big America is, especially the west.

        OK, Obama's President. NOW can we fix New Orleans?

        by azureblue on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 09:59:07 AM PST

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        •  England isbn't Europe (1+ / 0-)
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          It's an part of an island on the West coast of Europe.

          Secondly I live in Germany, and have a businessin Bordeaux, which is 800 miles away, and I drive regularly, getting 42 mpg. If I kept on going for another 800 miles, I would come to Portugal.

          If however, I turned left on leaving tthe house, I could go to Scandinavia, at about another 800 miles. If I turned right, I could go to Sicily or Athens, about 1500 miles.

          By the way, our sexual organs are the same size as yours too.

    •  Are you serious? (1+ / 0-)
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      GW Chimpzilla

      The original Ford Model T's weighed 1200-1500 pounds. A modern, compact or mid-size sedan now weighs more than double that. I'd say that's pretty good progress.

      •  Is that progress? (2+ / 0-)
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        BradMajors, EthrDemon

        Twice as much steel to move your 150 lb saggy ass after a hundred years.

        In the world of oil conservation, lighter is better.

        •  Fine by me. (1+ / 0-)
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          Let me know how you feel after you get into an accident on the highway in your Ford Model T, Smart Car, or some other 1200 pound vehicle. I'm sure the added weight on a modern sedan has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they are substantially safer than they were 100, 50, 20, or even 10 years ago...

          Really, at this point, the only conclusion I can draw is that you're either making shit up as you go along or you have no concept of reality. Either way, I choose not to participate in this discussion any further, as it's really just a waste of my time.

          •  Kill the planet to save lives on the highway (2+ / 0-)
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            EthrDemon, senilebiker

            It just doesn't make sense. The tiny Smart Car is one of the safest cars in the world. It's old thinking to assume only a heavy steel girder in the door makes for a safe car.

            "All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." -- Groucho Marx

            by GW Chimpzilla on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 10:30:49 AM PST

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        •  Most cars are not primarily made of steel anymore (1+ / 0-)
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        •  Twice the steel to (0+ / 0-)

          move your saggy ass at twice the speed,  with more than twice the safety and comfort,  five times (or more) the reliability,  on about half the gas (if you've bought something economical like my 35MPG Toyota),  and producing a tenth (or less) the pollution.

          And still costing about 3 months' of that Ford worker's wages.

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