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  •  There is nothing smug (0+ / 0-)

    about being reality based.

    The UAW has been bleeding members for 20 years. They remind me of William Buckley circa 1955 who said he wanted to stand in the path of history and yell STOP.

    Unions are sadly less relevant today than at any time in the past 50 years. Were it not for the unionization of government workers the whole movement would have dried up and blown away by now.

    Unions thrived in an era of standardize labor when one worker was interchangable with another. That day has long passed.

    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    •  Which is why... (3+ / 0-)
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      ..with nonstandardized labor we've seen a rise in median income and people are doing better regardless of income?  Oh, wait, median income has declined at roughly the same percentage as the decline of unionization.  It's almost like something even a moron would notice...oh wait, you didn't notice.

      "An army of principles can penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot." - Thomas Paine

      by Mister Gloom on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 02:19:51 PM PST

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      •  Median income (0+ / 0-)

        has continued to grow over the past 30 years despite the decline in unionization.

        Median real wages have been stagnant as more of the work force has become salary based and more of the compensation has shifted from wages to benefits. Get your facts straight before you make your arguments.

    •  When is bias "reality based? (1+ / 0-)
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      Get real.  Until you even have a historical perspective of labor in America and the abuses that are now allowed by corporations such as Wal-Mart, your opinion is as useful as tits on a snake.

      Union busting activities and programs lead to distortions that suppress union membership.  This has been happening since the time of early union organization.  In the early days this was done by vigilantes and the government which used every excuse, even to the point of using the espionage act, to fight the IWW's resistance to World War One.  This physical threat is still ever present for offshore labor. Just ask the Maquila workers.

      More genteel ways of fighting unions in the US is used nowadays.  Chafing against the Wagner Act (NLRA), wealthy stockholders finally hit paydirt with the Taft-Hartley Act in 1947, just one of 250 anti-labor bills that year.  T-H gives employers significant advantages in fighting and denying union representation in their facilities.  This is augmented by entities like Jackson Lewis LLP; training management how to lie to employees about unions, how to frighten employees so they don't join unions, how to stonewall negotiations with unions or how to fire union organizers without legal repercussions.  Is it no wonder that a general anti-union meme exists in our culture?  Especially when anti-union administrations deliberately avoid enforcing laws favorable to union organizing success.

      This is exacerbated, most gleefully by neo-liberal globalists who have wealth on their side promoting the destruction of American manufacturing and wildly distorted trade policy.  Since 1972, there has been deliberate government neglect in addressing predatory trade whether issues are brought up by industry or labor.  Regardless of how egregious economic warfare is practiced by currency manipulation, dumping, or outright trade fraud, administrations since Ronny (brain dead) Reagan have failed, many times deliberately, at representing American manufacturing interests.  

      The distorted differences in reactions to bailing out Wall Street vs. Manufacturing is evidence of a continued bias of wealth over labor and the privatization of wealth and socialization of risk.  All of this, combined with a more subtle discounting of science, engineering and manufacturing skills by distorting the interests of wealth over that of labor enforces any perception that unions are not relevant.

      Your argument sounds like a "post-hoc ergo propter-hoc" distortion.  To put it more simply, it is similar to republicans claiming that government does not work by misgoverning to the point where they create a dysfunctional government that they point to as proof of their statement.

      •  Here is another historical fact (0+ / 0-)

        which industries have become more globally competitive after unionization than they were before. Autos?  Steel?  Glass? Rubber? Airlines? Food processing?

        Maybe you have your causality backward, just maybe it was unionization that drove manufacturing out of the country because businesses could no longer generate a return on capital with such high labor costs.... naw could not have been the case.... its all greedy businesses screwing the worker.

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