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    not because I agree with you (I don't) but it was absolutely inappropriate for FeastOr to troll-rate you for that comment.  

    •  Seconded - the HR is abuse {N/T} (1+ / 0-)
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      ObamaLovingExDemocrat

      "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman, or an economist." -- Kenneth Boulding (an economist...)

      by grndrush on Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 11:29:28 AM PST

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      echatwa, James Kresnik

      the uaw is absolutely killing our auto industry

      I mean no disrespect.  Please back that statement up with facts and I will happily apologize, recommending my colleague's posts.

      (-8.12 -7.54) Belief in absolutes is the laziest of delusions.

      by FeastOr on Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 11:54:00 AM PST

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      •  no offense taken (1+ / 0-)
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        FeastOr

        feastor i live in the shadow of the BMW plant here in SC (i do not work in the supply chain or the company) and have observed how well they have operated free of union discord and its just my personal opinion from my perspective here in SC.

        They are lean and mean and have done very well. They've taken some punches in this economy to be sure but theyve not had to term any full time folks. Yes, theyve not renewed some temporary workers they had hired. but that flexibility has allowed them to survive and keep being successfull. Do you think the UAW would have allowed BMW the lattitude to not renew the unneeded temps if this plant were in Detroit? I think not.

        Hamstrung companies can't compete. Why would BMW build here? the most anti-union city in America (Greenville, SC --- home of Milliken) and an educated workforce with a low cost of living.

        I'm sorry but I just see the success every single day. SC isn't perfect but there is a reason they are here and its not just state and local tax concessions.

      •  I' m not sure who you're addressing that to (1+ / 0-)
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        I said quite clearly I don't agree with tigerken's assertion, so you won't find me adducing facts to support it.  Still, it's a difference of opinion.  It wasn't said in any disrespectful manner and I really see no evidence that it was done with any malicious purpose.  Tigerken has no more obligation to cite to facts to support his opinion than you or I do.  HRs should not, in my view, be used simply because you disagree with it.  It's an abuse of the TU privilege.

        •  To those who disagreed with the TR, I suppose. (1+ / 0-)
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          Bronxist

          I explained the rating was for the refuted RW talking point.  

          Thanks to further comments, we can see that my fellow Kossack's position is somewhat less absolute than one anti-union phrase indicates -- and aside from it, we disagree very little.  

          (-8.12 -7.54) Belief in absolutes is the laziest of delusions.

          by FeastOr on Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 12:31:11 PM PST

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    •  no prob...it takes all kinds (1+ / 0-)
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      obv i live in SC and like Tester am in a red state and economically just can't get with pillorying him over this

      also...everyday i see how successfull bmw is here with a major auto plant and no union...

      •  I don't think pillorying Tester or the UAW (2+ / 0-)
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        will help.
         
        Our personal experiences of the industry differ a bit.
        I work for a supplier to the automotive industry and see vast differences in the behaviors of the management teams at BMW compared to GM -- especially regarding investment in technology to increase efficiency, supply-chain management and ability to make decisions and follow through.  
        There are differences in employee compensation -- but I see BMW actively managing their purchasing, design, prototyping and production processes better.

        (-8.12 -7.54) Belief in absolutes is the laziest of delusions.

        by FeastOr on Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 12:15:52 PM PST

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        •  well its frustrating to sit here in SC (1+ / 0-)
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          and see BMW execute so well and then I look north and well - its just maddening. Its certainly a complicated issue.

          •  The bureaucracy and inflexibility (1+ / 0-)
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            it crazy-making.  

            I've seen one company move ahead with new technology to improve product quality and reduce the expense of prototyping and design approvals by 50% -- while another manages only to debate, discuss and defend a status quo.

            Maybe it is all doom and gloom up north; I don't know.  

            GM's plant near Toronto, was once praised by David Cole, president of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor who said,

            "If all of GM’s assembly plants operated like Oshawa, the automaker would reap billions in earnings. Not millions or hundreds of millions, but literally billions of added profit."

            .  
            That was 2004; now, the plant will be laying off hundreds of workers and shutting down production, temporarily, come January.  

            (-8.12 -7.54) Belief in absolutes is the laziest of delusions.

            by FeastOr on Fri Dec 12, 2008 at 01:32:49 PM PST

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