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  •  Haven't seen much of that at all (4+ / 0-)

    Not saying no one's said it - but it has to be a very small minority.

    The crooks are leaving office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

    by BentLiberal on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 09:29:11 PM PST

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      •  Guess I was napping then (3+ / 0-)
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        Seriously though - that's one of the things he's always said he'd initiate early.  That was a funny one to doubt.

        The crooks are leaving office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

        by BentLiberal on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 09:42:00 PM PST

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        •  Yep, I agree... (10+ / 0-)

          but some won't believe until they see it. Honestly, I think some people are just too cynical and they are just waiting for disappointment. I'm entirely too hopeful for such an attitude.

          •  One problem is that many people posting here (4+ / 0-)

            take certain statements anyone who works for him has made and would infer things that were not actually said.  Another practice that I found objectionable during the transition was the notion that since Obama kept a Republican (like Gates) that his policies would not change as if Obama could not withstand advice from a conservative or that Gates fit a certain stereotype of Republicans and that he lacked freedom of thought himself; i.e. because Gates was a Republican, he was incapable of taking a good action.  

            •  Irritates me too, Obama is actually pretty (5+ / 0-)

              straight forward as to what he is going to do, unfortunately people hear what they want to hear. He is a very smart guy, but he isn't an egomaniac, he isn't Bush who thought he had all the answers. In addition to being inclusive and setting up a win win for the opposition (those areas of common ground) he listens. He is going to need input from everyone and if we think republicans have nothing constructive to contribute, we are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

            •  Obama is co-opting the sane part of the GOP (1+ / 0-)
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              well, the not batshit crazy part, see: Gates, Powell, McCain (pre-campaign), Graham and likely Orrin Hatch among others, the results will be obvious soon:

              1.  those folks will get access but in return they will be demonized by the knuckle draggers
              1. they will become the 2-3 votes required to stop filibusters.
              1. without the option of stopping legislation the GOP congress critters will let it fly and show their true colors, that of unrepentant egotistical assholes.

              what is not to like?

              And yes there a few good kossacks that get the vapors when an un-sourced and slanted report from Politico, Drudge or AP claims that Obama somehow will be the continuation of GWB

               

              "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

              by IamTheJudge on Wed Jan 21, 2009 at 07:40:14 AM PST

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              •  The GOP has been on the verge of splintering (1+ / 0-)
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                for at least the last 4 years.  That the party has held together so well is, in a way, remarkable.

                I see Obama getting virtually everything he wants for the next six months as a result of the financial crisis, his huge popularity, and because Obama is likely to throw the GOP a bone in important legislation (e.g. tax cuts in bailouts) so they can get behind him and the train can keep moving.  Beyond the first friedman unit is when things ought to get interesting.  Depending on how the economy is going and where Obama's approval rating sit, the GOP is likely to either retrench, cause some short term obstruction and doom their parties future political chances, OR some of the less batshit crazy might become actual moderates for the first time in decades.

                I see value in an effective opposition party, but obstructionism isn't being effective (nor is capitulating - Harry Reid).  If the GOP obstructs all Obama's librul proposals not only will they shrink, but they deny us the benefit of having a foil.  (I also wouldn't rule out someone switching parties in the senate - it's well known that we welcome moderates, perhaps to a fault.)

                •  Rather sooner than later (1+ / 0-)
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                  and blame Palin for it

                  GOP is likely to either retrench, cause some short term obstruction and doom their parties future political chances,

                  at this moment the only solid constituency of the GOP are those that identify with her, everyone else is giving Obama a chance, 58% of McCain voters are optimistic about Obama and while 46% of the country voted for McCain close to 70% support Obama, ergo more than half of the GOP's voters are wavering, what are the options open to any ambitious leader of the GOP?

                  1. Get along with Obama, fight him to get something (a bone) from him and the Dems in congress and get attacked incessantly by the mouth breathers as a traitor, or
                  1. Follow Rush, Blackwell and Cornyn in total obstructionism  under the disguise of balance of power, transparency or fiscal restrain?  

                  My bet is 2) they will be ineffectual on stopping major legislation but they will please the 22% that prefer to destroy the country rather that allow a Dem administration to succeed

                  "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

                  by IamTheJudge on Wed Jan 21, 2009 at 09:00:10 AM PST

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          •  asdf (2+ / 0-)
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            but some won't believe until they see it. Honestly, I think some people are just too cynical and they are just waiting for disappointment. I'm entirely too hopeful for such an attitude

            Good luck with that - how has it worked out in the past?

            A certain amount of skepticism is essential when assessing anything that politicians are involved in. This is not unhealthy and is infact an extremely important check and balance.

            Most of the USA's problems stem from a lack of skepticism not an overload of it.

            •  skepticism = good, warpath = bad (2+ / 0-)
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              as the often quoted FDR said "...now make me do it" the progressive movement must pressure this administration and congress to get things done, but jumping ship (or the shark) and stop supporting Obama's administration or actively opposing it this early in the game is playing on the hands of the GOP and what they represent.

              People must remember that Obama is an intelligent, ambitious and methodical man, he wants to be a great president, ergo he is not going to go half cocked into a fight or produce half baked solutions that will explode on his face down the road.

              "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

              by IamTheJudge on Wed Jan 21, 2009 at 07:49:54 AM PST

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