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  •  Who do you suggest to give the invocation? (0+ / 0-)
    •  no one. keep religion(s) out of gov't altogether. (8+ / 0-)

      save it for church/synagogue/temple/mosque/etc.

      "I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization." Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

      by hester on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 10:27:34 AM PST

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    •  As a non-religious person, I had to (3+ / 0-)
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      come to grips with the insidious role of "ceremonial religion" in American politics - prayers before Congress, invocations at inaugural, etc.  However, a preacher's job is to preach, so if Warren, Dobson, Farrakan, Wright or the Dalai Lama are invited practice "ceremonial religion", I don't really care.

      What I don't want to see is Obama allowing Warren, Dobson, Wright or the Dalia Lama to use their religious values/judgement to influence policy or judicial appointments.

      Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s. Matthew 22:21

      What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is. ~ Dan Quayle

      by CParis on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 10:28:35 AM PST

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      •  Certain religious values are in the best (0+ / 0-)

        interest of mankind.  Many of the Ten Commandments for example.  If a country or its leaders had no value in the sanctity of life they would not go to the assistance of an ally like we did against Hitler.

        Religious doctrine in part is a codification of moral values that transcend that particular religion, so it is not all bad.  If someone wants to cite the bible to support his view that something like theft or murder is wrong I have no problem with that.

        I don't call myself a bible banger and I believe that God exists only in the conceptual manner.  However it is the belief that he exists that influences men, hopefully for the better. I can remember when Americans were much more religious than now, probably also more ignorant and superstitious, but it was a great time and we were the light of the world.  People pulled together instead of at each other and we had a common purpose with lots of cohesion.  Compare that to today where folks tend to march to their own beat, which is no problem except they don't know where in hell they are headed as a nation.

        Religious doctrine is very much our moral rudder but some of you fail to see that. Even much of our legal system is based upon Judeo-Christian standards of fairness and decency.

    •  How 'bout a secular humanist? eom (3+ / 0-)
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    •  How about someone representing the First (3+ / 0-)

      Americans?  After all, most of us are just "guests" here.

      What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is. ~ Dan Quayle

      by CParis on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 11:13:12 AM PST

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