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  •  It's almost Chrismtas (3+ / 0-)
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    hideinplainsight, cjallen, BDsTrinity

    and the election STILL isn't over ~sigh~

    •  I'd rather have the election go on... (9+ / 0-)

      ...until Easter, than concede a Coleman victory.

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      by KingOneEye on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 11:16:02 AM PST

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    •  So much for the US as a super power (0+ / 0-)

      We can't even count ballots in less than six weeks.

      This is pathetic. At this point I could care less who wins. Even if the dems had sixty senators the chances that they would exercise their majority status to the fullest extent is doubtful.

      Herding cats. At least the repubs know how to circle the wagons and cut the heart out of any opponent. The dems give 'em cookies and milk.

      With leaders like Reid and Pelosi, who needs enemies?

      by SpiffPeters on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 11:41:01 AM PST

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      •  Wrong on So Many Levels (8+ / 0-)

        First, you should care who wins.  It's the difference between putting another progressive voice in the senate or reinstating a crook.  Second, The Franken campaign has done an outstanding job in this recount.  They have been transparent, open, and in favor of getting every vote counted.  Team Coleman has done everything they can to muddy the waters.  They have already gone to court twice.  In this particular case at least, Team Franken has run circles around the Coleman camp.

        Al Franken is going to be the junior senator from MN.  And thats a good thing.

        •  Transparent? (1+ / 0-)
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          I'll agree that Al is acquitting himself with somewhat more dignity than Norman "Iranian suit-ers give money to my wife" Coleman, but to say that Franken's people have done an outstanding job is just rank homerism.

          IF anyone had the balls to conduct a poll, I think they'd find a substantial majority of Minnesotans despise both Al and Norm for having flooded the state with a raft of truly shamefully negative ads from the Summer Olympics through to election day. It was a horrible experience and local TV ratings actually went down as people sought out alt entertainment rather than exposing themselves to these ads anymore than absolutely necessary.

          There is still deep resentment of the netroots early entrance into this race. Kos gave his stamp of approval to Franken THIRTEEN MONTHS BEFORE OUR PRIMARY, making an absolute mockery of the process.

          But if you consider living on the phones to raise money so you can flood the state with negative ads a victory, then both candidates are thoroughly covered in glory because that they did do.

          I'm with SpiffPeters on this one: this election was a blackeye for Minnesota, and it was a blackeye for Markos and the rest of the early endorsers.

          The more Democrats fight, the more we win.

          by Mark Gisleson on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 12:49:51 PM PST

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        •  Perhaps on your levels. But you miss my points (0+ / 0-)

          First, in the USA, the most technologically advanced and powerful country the world has ever seen, we are still waiting, over six weeks and counting, for the results of a single senatorial election. This is beyond absurd.

          Second, the democrats have yet to demonstrate the will to run congress. With the majority since 2006, and now with a significant majority going forward, congressional leaders capitulate to the minority party time after time. The latest example is Pat Leahy laying down so the repubs can sabotage the AG nomination.

          We don't need Franken. Even if Franken had represented the 60 senate seat, I seriously doubt the dems could stop any republican filibuster. Sure on less controversial bills getting a dem majority is likely. But try getting 60 dems to unite and stand behind a universal health plan. Trying to get sixty democrats to agree on anything is nothing short of a miracle.

          With leaders like Reid and Pelosi, who needs enemies?

          by SpiffPeters on Thu Dec 18, 2008 at 02:52:57 PM PST

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          •  It's Not About 60 Seats (1+ / 0-)
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            I agree with you that the 60 seats=magic bullet is illusionary.  Every cloture vote is going to rest on the merits.  On some there will be Dems defecting, on others, Republicans joining.  Thats not the point.  The point is to replace a Republican crook with a progressive voice who will not only represent MN, but will be a voice for middle class values nationwide.  The way to break a cloture vote is to call the Republicans bluff, they want to call a fillibuster, then make them fillibuster.  And make it on issues that are really unpopular, so they look like idiots.

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