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  •  Good rebuttal. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    If God hadn't wanted us to fly, he wouldn't have given us Bernoulli's Principle.

    by HamillianActor on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:28:06 PM PST

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    •  Its like saying... (0+ / 0-)

      ...the waste of resources that is war gives us an economic multiplier which, of course, it does, but far less than productive investment. Manned missions produce far less science per buck than unmanned, or do you disagree?

      •  Science is not the key metric (2+ / 0-)
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        Quotes from the MIT Report cited in the diary:

        Page 8 quote:

        Human spaceflight, and its attendant risk, turns a spaceflight into a story that is compelling to large numbers of people. Exploration also has a moral dimension because it is in effect a cultural conversation on the nature and meaning of human life.

        Another Page 8 quote:

        Exploration is an expansion of human experience, bringing people into new places, situations and environments, expanding and redefining what it means to be human.

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        The expansion of human experience might seem too universal to satisfy national interests, too general to appeal to practical policy considerations. Indeed the Apollo missions were undertaken "in peace for all mankind." Nevertheless, they were unmistakably branded as American, and that branding provided the major political impetus for the program. Apollo expanded what it meant to be human in uniquely American ways. Observers hailed American astronauts as paragons of self-reliance, individualism and other American virtues.

        Page 9 quote:

        By sending people into places and situations unprecedented in human history, nations aim to expand a global definition of humanity in their own image. The benefits to a country being represented in this way have generally justified the risk and cost of human life, much as military service to a nation is deemed worthy of such sacrifices.

        Project Apollo enhanced American soft power in our struggle with the Soviet Union.

        American human spaceflight consumes less then 1/2 of one percent of the federal budget. I do not favor massive increases in that number although an extra few billion would be well spent, IMHO.

        But cancellation would be a political disaster for any President who made the attempt. That is why Barack Obama has reversed course 180 degrees between November 2007 (cancel NASA and fund education) and today.

        Health care crisis in a nutshell: Too much is expended on "managing" & too little on "caregiving"

        by Bill White on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:39:45 PM PST

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      •  As much as it might pain me to agree with Bill (2+ / 0-)
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        he is absolutely right - human missions aren't about science, and have never been.  Talking about cutting funding for them because they don't provide a good science ROI is like saying we should cut midnight basketball programs because they don't provide school lunches.  

      •  Human missions do get magnitudes more science (1+ / 0-)
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        than unmanned. The only real comparison we have is the Ranger/Apollo missions. But if you look at the difference in amount and quality of science, it's stunning.

        I'll confess I don't have any particular study or numbers to cite, but I would absolutely argue that manned gets more bang for the buck than unmanned (which is not to say that unmanned missions don't serve an important and vital function).

        If God hadn't wanted us to fly, he wouldn't have given us Bernoulli's Principle.

        by HamillianActor on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:44:52 PM PST

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