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  •  Election should NOT have been close (1+ / 0-)
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    I like Al Franken and have read 2 of his books but this race should have been a decisive win for the Democrats with no need for a recount.

    McCain/Failin '08.

    by Aspe4 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 08:44:43 AM PST

    •  Blame the Independence Party. (2+ / 0-)
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      There have been a whole series of elections starting with Ventura's where the winner statewide had much less than 50% of the vote. The 3rd party candidates who have drawn ballots - Barkeley, Tim Penny, and Jessie Ventura - have little appeal to true conservatives. Minnesota is a nominally blue state with about 35% conservatives who will never vote third party. I am not opposed to third parties, but in this environment we really need instant run-off. (Who knows - in an instant run-off situation, Dean Barkely could have possibly won, given the bad feelings in the Coleman/Franken tilt...) Before the anti-choice, anti-tax fundies wrested control of the old IR party, socially liberal Republicans (Dave Durenberger, Arnie Carlson) did quite well statewide. Only the emergence of the IP has allowed the Rovian divide and conquer tactic to work in MN. Even the more marginal 3rd parties - Grass Roots and Green - siphon off Democrats votes.

      You have to play this game with fear and arrogance... - Crash Davis

      by czardingus on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 09:07:51 AM PST

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      •  Barkley couldn't have won (1+ / 0-)
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        With IRV, if no one wins outright, you take the candidate with the fewest number of first-place choices, and reassign those voters to the next-ranked candidate. Once the write-ins were reassigned, then Barkley would have been last, and his reassigned to Franken or Coleman. At that point, with two candidates left, whoever was on top would have been the winner.

        I doubt that the voters really wanted Barkley enough to risk giving him enough first-place votes.

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        by sardonyx on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 09:23:54 AM PST

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        •  I like Al, but... (1+ / 0-)
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          I work in education and social services in MN; most of my colleagues are lefties. I knew many who didn't like Al (and Norm even less) and had to be convinced not to vote for Barkeley. My point is that if there was IRV, Barkeley would have polled a lot higher than 16%, but the bulk of his 2nd place votes would have gone to Franken. With IRV, Franken could have easily taken more than 50% if Barkely was still the third-place finisher, and Al was alloted his votes.

          Of course, the nightmare scenario in this is that Barkely tops 30% of first-choices, and passes up Franken. In that scenario, assuming that most Franken voters picked Barkeley 2nd (or a grass roots or green), Barkeley could have been elected. Stranger things have happened - we did elect Jessie, after all. At least Barkeley would have caucused with the Dems.

          You have to play this game with fear and arrogance... - Crash Davis

          by czardingus on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 10:15:48 AM PST

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          •  And If Barkley Had Been Elected (0+ / 0-)

            Which party would he have caucused with?  Would he have been a reliable vote against cloture?  If he would've caucused with the D's and have voted for cloture, that would not have been a disaster.  I thought Barkley won all of the debates I watched.

            This aggression will not stand, man.

            by kaleidescope on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 11:46:36 AM PST

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    •  Barkley the independent candidate is why (4+ / 0-)

      since he took Franken's margin.  2/3's of Barkley voters voted for Obama.  In a runoff Franken would win easily.

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