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  •  I don't think Wellstone was murdered (8+ / 0-)

    And I didn't take him saying Connell was "Wellstoned" to be necessarily claiming that. Maybe it was.

    But on what planet do you live where you would think this is an extraordinary claim? If the GOP were the mafia, and Wellstone were an enemy of the mafia, you would not think suspicion of his death to be extraordinary at all.

    Well, guess what: the GOP is the mafia. Complete3 with goons and hitmen and every other nasty business we normally associate with mobsters.

    I don't think Wellstone was taken out. But I sure as hell don't think we wasn't either. I just don't know, which is why I've never written a word until now about Wellstone's death. I agree that it is inappropriate to be making claims that aren't supported by evidence.

    But if he were murdered, it would not be extraordinary at all. Another politician killed for political expedience.

    •  Oh Bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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      What else would "Wellstoned" mean and still have this require a criminal investigation.  

      "Dignified people, without a whimsical streak, almost never offer fresh insights, in economics or anywhere else." Paul Krugman

      by Dana Houle on Fri Dec 26, 2008 at 01:53:06 PM PST

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    •  I didn't either (2+ / 0-)
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      I took it to mean it was a convenient time to have a guy die in a small plane like Wellstone.
      The sentence doesn't make sense otherwise.

      But I can see how it would be taken the other way, especially if you're looking for it.

      •  Wrong (0+ / 0-)

        This was no ordinary court case, and a mighty convenient time to have a Wellstone.  Conyers and Kucinich were informed because the first thing you do if you are afraid something like this might happen to you is you tell people who are high-profile, because you feel it might protect you.

        If you accept your interpretation, then the next sentence is barking loony nonsense.  What would they have done to keep him from being "wellstoned?"  Change the weather?  

        "Dignified people, without a whimsical streak, almost never offer fresh insights, in economics or anywhere else." Paul Krugman

        by Dana Houle on Fri Dec 26, 2008 at 02:04:05 PM PST

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        •  How do you explain using the word convenient? (1+ / 0-)
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          I took the "like this" to be Connell's crash not Wellstone's.
          As I said, I understand your interpretation.
          I read it differently.

          Anyhow, it's not that big a deal to me. I was responding more to your reaction than the diary itself.  

        •  Well, I think the first thing is... (1+ / 0-)
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          Jagger

          ...fly commercial! Take the Greyhound. Something.

        •  Suspicious timing of a critical event (4+ / 0-)
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          warrants investigation.  In the case of Wellstone, investigators put out the story that it was icing on the wings until other pilots flying in the same location and altitude reported no icing.  It could well have been an accident, but anyone who completely discounts the possibility of foul play is a fool.  Wellstone was an effective and courageously outspoken opponent of the attack on Iraq.  You don't know that it wasn't foul play anymore than I know it was.  You simply strike a tone of asinine pomposity which is dismissive of anything but what you deem, arbitrarily and with no evidence, name-calling, to be the truth.  It's quite unattractive.

          •  I Don't Know That You're Not a Rightwing... (0+ / 0-)

            ...agent provoceteur trying to dumb down this site with idiotic "reasoning," so therefore it's fine for me to conclude that you're Karl Rove.  

            I have no evidence that you're not, and using your reasoning, it's equally plausible that you are than that you're not.

            How ya doin' Karl?  

            "Dignified people, without a whimsical streak, almost never offer fresh insights, in economics or anywhere else." Paul Krugman

            by Dana Houle on Fri Dec 26, 2008 at 02:24:50 PM PST

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            •  You know...I've always been baffled by this (1+ / 0-)
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              line of reasoning.

              To me, if you have a lawsuit that could prove that the republicans stole the 2004 election once and for all, then it would seem to be that you would support such a lawsuit if you're a democrat. This way every election afterward you can point out that one faction of the business party is a little different in that they don't actually believe in this "Democracy" thing. They hate America because they won't let you vote and so forth.  I've always thought the subversion went the other way in that you won't use the evidence that you have--the biggest factor to me would have to the actions of republican SOSs in clearly targeting black and traditionally DNC voters--to make this argument. And again, we should be able to discuss these arguments at an allegedly "liberal" site without people calling us bad names.

              •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

                Well, since there's an utter absence of evidence that Bush stole the 2004 election, good luck with that.

                "Dignified people, without a whimsical streak, almost never offer fresh insights, in economics or anywhere else." Paul Krugman

                by Dana Houle on Fri Dec 26, 2008 at 02:49:52 PM PST

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                •  The lawsuit hasn't been thrown out... (1+ / 0-)
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                  ...but as a democrat, why are you rooting for that? And for the record, Ken Blackwell stole the 2004 election on behalf of Bush. When you remove 300000 voters from the rolls who are mostly dems that makes a difference...

                •  BUSTED! ONLY A RIGHT-WING MOLE WOULD SAY THIS! (1+ / 0-)
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                  "Utter absence?"  You can say there is not sufficient evidence (though there is) but to say "utter absence" is clearly insane.  Here is a ream of legal documents relating to King Lincoln vs. Blackwell.  Naturally it will mean nothing to you because your interest is in defending an indefensible position.  The question is "Why?"  Because you are a BushCo mole.

                  http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/...

                  •  Thank you for publishing this... (0+ / 0-)

                    I was just wondering if Barbara and DHMI had actually read the briefs to make sure that their "extraordinary proof" standard had been met but I think we both know the answer to that. And again, and this should be asked loudly and in public: why wouldn't democrats be interested in a lawsuit that proves RNC election fraud? Why won't "real democrats"  even read the briefs?

                  •  You're a Silly Man (0+ / 0-)

                    "Dignified people, without a whimsical streak, almost never offer fresh insights, in economics or anywhere else." Paul Krugman

                    by Dana Houle on Fri Dec 26, 2008 at 03:56:27 PM PST

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