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  •  To be honest, reaching out is not my #1 priority (6+ / 0-)

    I didn't write this piece, that's all Dave, and I think he did a good job.

    That said, when I have managed to produce some original content, it's never been about Mormon "greed" or "magic undies" or "crazy customs" ...

    So, in terms of the "purpose at hand" ... let me lay it out plain and simple for you:

    The Mormon church is the most vertically-integrated major church in America.

    What does that mean?

    It means:  if you need to confront/persuade your Mormon opposition on a political issue, you go to the Mormon leadership, and you don't bother too much with persuading the Mormon rank and file (because, at the end of the day, the LDS membership will do as they're told, unlike most Catholics and many Evangelicals).

    Evangelicals are horizontally-structured.  They're good at raising a stink, but bad at following through with the kind of coordinated actions that GOTV requires.  Catholics are kind of a hybrid structure.  But the Mormons, well, the Mormons are all about vertical, and they take their marching orders straight from Salt Lake City and so, in terms of their organization, there's nothing in-between those orders and the rank-and-file that might dilute the call to duty.

    Don't Mormons like to describe themselves as a "peculiar people" ??  Guess what, they're right.  They're peculiarly adapted to deliver an outsized impact on elections that they've been instructed to take an interest in.

    Guess what state ranks 49th in voter turnout?  Utah.

    But outside Utah, it's a different story entirely.

    Ohio 2004?  50% of the poll monitors were Mormon.

    Prop 8 in 2008?  Ditto, ditto, ditto.

    It's basic GOTV.  Get your people to the polls checking the lists for your 1's and 2's and get the job done.  They did.  To their credit.  We didn't.  Our bad.  It's not gonna happen again.

    •  Chino, if that is the case... (0+ / 0-)

      why am I still a member of my church.  Shouldn't they have cast me out by now for my beliefs of prop 8?  How about the rest of my family?  How are we allowed to teach Sunday school or be in the bishopric?  You know who Steve Young is, right?  If not, Google his name and read up on his story regarding Prop 8.  Why did the Church leadership say that many in the church may not agree, and will rightfully choose not to participate in prop 8?  Many of us in the Church are either neutral, or opposed to prop 8, but the media has told you that all Mormons are against rights for gays.  

      You are making a terrible mistake ignoring the membership.  This is an education issue.  You don't have to persuade Mormons and other religious people to accept that homosexuality is natural.  You don't have to pull people away from their beliefs.  It is an essential teaching in the church that the constitution is an inspired document.  Prop 8 in my opinion violates the constitutional rights of GBLTs.  That fact alone is enough to get people on your side.  Education is key.  

      I ask you though, what good will (as some here have suggested) bashing people's faith do to get those of faith to come around?  It'll just make them even more devout in their views.  It's a dead end.

      •  You claim to be a friend. Why are you here, (3+ / 0-)
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        lecturing us, instead of lecturing your errant co-worshippers? You claim that many Mormons disagreed with their leadership over prop h8. Naturally you all picketed, marched in solidarity with us, carried signs saying "Mormons against hate and exclusion," or "Mormons for universal civil rights." Doubtless, there were letters to the editor stating your vigorous opposition to prop h8.

        Yes.. I remember the scenes on TV, the talking heads chattering about a split between the LDS flock and its leaders.. It's all coming back to me..

        "Dialogue is good, sometimes even productive, but if you do not believe in equality, then you are not of this tribe." -swampus

        by davidincleveland on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 01:03:14 PM PST

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      •  You're kidding me about Steve Young, right? (1+ / 0-)
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        Barb did her darndest to educate Mormons before Nov. 4th:

        And what did she get for it?  Shunned in her Palo Alto ward, that's what she got.

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