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  •  Actually, in the end ... (1+ / 0-)
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    davidincleveland

    we may need his 'help'.

    However, that does not mean we have to contort ourselves into becoming what he or his faith wants us to be in order to receive it, nor do we have to 'take it on the chin' from the organized discrimination put forth in public policy by his church.

    If he can change his faith into being less oppressive on other 's civil rights, so be it.  But he's not going to accomplish that by kowtowing and excusing their bigotry.

    The person who has lost the ability to trust based on the actions of the party no longer trusted is not the one who has to do the work for restoration.

    by emsprater on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 11:09:26 AM PST

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    •  Mormons are welcome to do that (2+ / 0-)
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      Because their sense of right and wrong compels them to. Not because I groveled and repeatedly stroked their tiny egos that I understand, "They're not really like that."

      Wake me if he actually repeals DOMA, revokes DADT or passes ENDA.

      by Scott Wooledge on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 11:28:39 AM PST

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    •  Emsprater, I'm not excusing bigotry. (0+ / 0-)

      Let's be fair.  I've said over and over that the church was wrong on prop 8.  I don't expect you to take it on the chin.  I expect you to fight back.

      All I'm saying is fight back in a smart way.

      Glad to help out.  There are people in my church on the fence, and you get those people off the fence with reason and dialogue, not belittling.  I appreciate that you've been fair, even with the hits that have been taken to the GBLT community.  

      •  Yes, let's be 'fair'. (1+ / 0-)
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        LuvSet

        You've danced around saying prop 8 was 'wrong', until you were forced to say it outright.  I'll give you that statement.

        However, you've also vehemently accused any effort by those oppressed by the political actions of the church of LDS to voice their protestations in terms that denounce faith based political action as 'bigotry'.

        Now what exactly is fair about that?

        When any one faith, or even a group of faiths take over the political agenda of the Nation, we loose.  Men who were wise beyond their years before Smith stumbled on your religion in the desert strongly stood for that as a basis for our Nation's structure.

        Upholding those basic beliefs that 'all men (and now women too) are created equal' and that 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.' is fair.  Your leaders seem to have failed in that respect.

        The person who has lost the ability to trust based on the actions of the party no longer trusted is not the one who has to do the work for restoration.

        by emsprater on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 12:52:34 PM PST

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