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  •  That's not what I said. Let me rephrase. (0+ / 0-)

    Gays have every right to be angry.  I just hope that that anger doesn't overwhelm them to the point of hate and bigotry, both of which are counter productive.

    Martin Luther King warned of the exact same thing.  He warned not to use hate and bigotry, and violence in the quest for equal rights.  There were segments of society just itching to use black on white violence and racism to set the equal rights agenda back another decade.  

    If any group uses hate and bigotry to fight against hate and bigotry, it will often develop in a backlash.  That is what I'm warning against.  

    I don't think I need to say much more about this, as it's so blatantly obvious what I'm saying.  I want GBLTs to have to same rights as everyone else, and I don't want that to be set back from an overreach of anger.  Take care.  I'm done for today.

    •  The members of the LDS .. (1+ / 0-)
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      need to learn a very old principle:  eventually, even a timid dog will bite when continually provoked.

      The person who has lost the ability to trust based on the actions of the party no longer trusted is not the one who has to do the work for restoration.

      by emsprater on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 12:38:53 PM PST

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    •  Do yourself a favor. Stop trying to justify your (4+ / 0-)
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      church's bigotry with this:

      Martin Luther King warned of the exact same thing.  He warned not to use hate and bigotry, and violence in the quest for equal rights.  There were segments of society just itching to use black on white violence and racism to set the equal rights agenda back another decade.

      Every time you refer to MLK or the Buddha to ask us to turn the other cheek, so your church can kick that one too, your argument gets more ridiculous.

      You are here saying that we should not return hate for hate. We are telling you that your church has hated on us in a very organized and official way in the political sphere, and we will shout it from the rooftops. You are here arguing because people are actually listening to us. You are telling us to STFU. Not. Going. To. Happen.

      Your church has every right to hate us officially. It has every right to engage in politics, including sending out concerned Mormons to "talk us down" on progressive forums. I will defend to the death their right to expose their bigotry, and my right to call it what it is.

      "Dialogue is good, sometimes even productive, but if you do not believe in equality, then you are not of this tribe." -swampus

      by davidincleveland on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 12:51:55 PM PST

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    •  "it's so blatantly obvious what I'm saying" (1+ / 0-)
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      what isn't "blatantly obvious" is the respect with which you are saying it.

      From you I hear only the pain & anger over the attacks on the Mormon Church. Admittedly my own pain & anger are dimming the receptiveness of my ears but what I'm not hearing from you is any sympathetic pain & anger over the loss of the same rights everyone else takes for granted, a loss engineered by the Mormon Church. Is your main concern for the Mormon Church? That's what I hear from you. You "don't need to say much more about this" because you don't need to persuade anyone. That's not important to you. You just want to hop up & down and declare everybody else hatemongers & bigots.

      You warn against the "backlash" -- yet you don't seem to have noticed the "lash", which is ongoing.

      Take care. Don't overreach. Have a happy new year.

    •  you confuse righteous indignation (2+ / 0-)
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      with blind hatred and fury.

      i don't.

      you confuse them because it gives you an out.

      i don't because it is what will win me the constitutionally-guaranteed civil right that was stripped from me in november.

      nothing is ever gained by blind hatred and fury except more blind hatred and fury.  except in the case when blind fury and hatred are met with righteous indignation by those who have been wronged.

      and your church acted out of blind hatred.  and i was wronged.  it is not only time now for my grievance to be redressed but time for the parties that unduly and unethically wronged me deal with the consequences of their bigotry.

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      I only use my evil powers for good

      -9.75 (e), -7.18 (s)

      by dadanation on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 03:08:59 PM PST

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