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  •  Weirdness at my soapblox site (1+ / 0-)
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    I created a soapblox site called wimpybadger with a few other people I only knew from the internet.  I was proud of the site we created until it became clear that the other people there were manipulators with ulterior motives.  (budhydharma has experience with these same people, as the strangeness began on docudharma.)  The matter is complex, and I believe involves personal danger to me and my family.  It is actually only the most recent occurrence in a years-long campaign of subtle threats and harassment, the details of which most people would have difficulty believing.

    I mention this here to say that, from my point of view, the site I was the primary force in creating would be an intelligent place to look at for culprits.  I say this publicly in order to distance myself from anything about the site, which I haven't visited since it turned strange on me.  Also, in hopes that there would be some kind of help for me in a desperate situation.

    I have learned from these experiences that one of the great under-reported stories of our time is the level of manipulation occurring through the internet.  One of the many reasons for this is that people are participating in behavior which makes them feel ashamed (people make jokes about porn as though it's an open deal, but there's little real honesty about the effect it's having on folks).  I also know the anti-dote to my problem would have been a healthy dose of sunlight.  Unfortunately, I tried for that but eventually had to shut up when my own family started treating me like a paranoid person instead of supporting me in ascribing reasonable meaning to the many odd things happening in our lives.  It is understandable that they would choose this, because the whole thing is terribly frightening and creepy, and the events seem improbably in the extreme.  Also, whoever orchestrates this stuff is extremely careful.

    I know some people reading this will have experienced enough of a similar thing to know what I am talking about.  Will any of you have the guts (foolhardiness) to speak up?  To many, I'm sure I sound quite plainly and straight-forwardly paranoid.

    I make rules for myself. I don't make rules for other people. I'm an anarchist. -Utah Phillips

    by geomoo on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 10:39:19 AM PST

    •  Hmmm (5+ / 0-)

      I see some familiar names there. What's been going on?

      •  I should have just kept my mouth shut, probably (1+ / 0-)
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        There's nothing I can prove about anything--all innuendo.  It has to be taken in a broader context of things that have been going on a long time.  Comments and diaries started containing indirect references to things in my private life--indications that I had been spied on--and things that I took as continued threats if I don't pay money.  It's a long story and extremely strange and improbable, so that a summary can't come close to capturing it.  I go for long times without responding at all, in hopes it will stop, but recently I feel in such immediate danger that I thought to take the opportunity of this diary to at least register publicly something of the trouble.  One thing, like so much on the internet, it is all smoke and mirrors and I can't say with any certainty what is actually going on.  I am quite sure, though, that something is.

        Thanks so much for responding.  I wish I could ask you to help me in some concrete way, but I have no idea how.

        I make rules for myself. I don't make rules for other people. I'm an anarchist. -Utah Phillips

        by geomoo on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 11:38:44 AM PST

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        •  Well (5+ / 0-)

          I understand the impulse to get paranoid. As you may know, all the major Soapblox meta wars have begun as innuendo, but as we saw with (for example) the recent ugly UGOG/FSZ dustup, that had serious consequences for people in real life on both sides.

          There are some serious blog wreckers out there (and they're not necessarily the ones who advertise as such) and I give them all a wide berth because I'm pretty sure I don't want to be dragged into anything.

          Now, I have also been told by some people (privately, in passing) that they did not feel comfortable in certain settings or with certain (unnamed and unknown to me) users.

          That's all I know and I did not pursue it, because this medium lends itself so readily to misperception and innuendo. I'm not a cop or a lawyer so I don't really know what to tell you.

    •  I have NO idea what you are talking about (3+ / 0-)

      Are you saying someone from DD is threatening your family???

      WTF, geomoo!

      Those are some serious charges you have just dragged my name into and I would appreciate some clarification.

      Again...I have NO idea what you are talking about.

      •  Relax, buhdy. (1+ / 0-)
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        I mention you only because this all began at your website, so you have an intimate familiarity with the circumstances that caused some of us to leave dd and begin a separate site in which we felt safer.  Now I am saying that I felt I was played throughout that process, so that I ended up being with people who were not trustworthy.  I have no proof of anything, I make no accusations of you, nor do I expect you to have a clue concerning anything I am talking about except what I have clearly stated.  If you don't feel sympathy for me, or have an inclination to help me, then please just leave me alone.

        I make rules for myself. I don't make rules for other people. I'm an anarchist. -Utah Phillips

        by geomoo on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 11:42:18 AM PST

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        •  this IS a serious accusation geomoo (3+ / 0-)

          & one i take considerable affront at seeing as i'm someone you invited to your site & you just disappeared with no word to anyone as far as i know.

          this is the first i've seen you in months.


          Liberal/Blades 2012
          The hippies had it right all's about time...the culture as a whole sent out a big, wet, hemp-covered apology.MMorford

          by RiaD on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 11:46:16 AM PST

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          •  I am in touch with someone (1+ / 0-)
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            and I did explain myself to that person.  Why would I try to explain my feelings to people I no longer trusted?  I just want to be left in peace.  But this stuff continues in my private life, so I want to make it public.  I'm not trying to get anybody, but I sure feel people are out to get me.  I feel my privacy has been invaded, and I want to make public those feelings.  If no one has done anything wrong, I don't see why anyone should react with anything other than concern and sympathy.  I've kept my mouth shut a long time, but the harassment does not go away.  Perhaps you have nothing to do with it, but it certainly seems to me that you did.  I have no proof, I only have my feelings, which few people seem inclined to honor, so I don't see that you have anything to worry about.

            I make rules for myself. I don't make rules for other people. I'm an anarchist. -Utah Phillips

            by geomoo on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 12:14:37 PM PST

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            •  i'm very sorry (1+ / 0-)
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              & upset that that is how you feel.
              i have not invaded your peace or privacy. your accusation above is painting everyone you invited to your site with the same broad brush.
              i don't understand how you feel i'm harrassing you when i've sent ONE e-mail to you since you left.

              you are welcome to e-mail me if you'd rather not discuss this publicly.

              Liberal/Blades 2012
              The hippies had it right all's about time...the culture as a whole sent out a big, wet, hemp-covered apology.MMorford

              by RiaD on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 12:22:17 PM PST

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              •  Thanks, ria. (1+ / 0-)
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                I don't pretend to understand what is going on with all this--I just know it has been very hard for me and very strange.  I don't intend to paint with a broad brush but rather to give a general picture, which is pretty much all I can do.  I'm sorry you feel upset.  Perhaps if you can imagine the kind of hell I am living in, you will forgive me for anything I have said which unfairly characterizes you.  You are in fact, seeing the actions of a fairly desperate person--me.

                And for the record, I did no inviting.  I was invited.  And the site was never mine, but rather something I took the initiative to make real in response to the expressed desire of others, including you.

                I make rules for myself. I don't make rules for other people. I'm an anarchist. -Utah Phillips

                by geomoo on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 01:08:43 PM PST

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        •  Thank you (5+ / 0-)

          Since I have no idea what you are talking about, it is tough to have sympathy for it!

          If you need help, let me know and I will do what I can.

          You and others WERE played in that process, but as far as I knew it was just a case of typical blog ego stuff. People forming factions to TRY to fuck up a good thing. They failed and we are doing great.

          But if there is more going on that I can help with or should know about, please let me know.

          •  Thanks, buhdy. (2+ / 0-)
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            On The Bus, buhdydharma

            Sorry to surprise you that way.  I really didn't expect anything from you, but your strong reaction made me feel vulnerable.  I actually expected, and foolishly it turns out, thought my comment might draw sympathy or helpful suggestions.  Silly me, constantly surprised by the toobz.

            I hope things are completely fine now between us.

            I make rules for myself. I don't make rules for other people. I'm an anarchist. -Utah Phillips

            by geomoo on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 02:03:19 PM PST

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      •  buhdy (4+ / 0-)
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        RiaD, buhdydharma, pfiore8, Wordsinthewind

        WTF indeed.  Yes, I'm a "Wimpy Badger".  Indeed, I came up with the damn name, a convoluted anagram.  I didn't organize it, showed up by invitation to the original google group & came along for the ride.

        I can't pretend to know what geomoo is talking about, but if he's seeing "evil" at WB, he needs to cut back on whatever he's smoking:  it's a bunch of mildly peculiar folks, some of whom got crossways with folks at your place for reasons I don't fully understand, and our "machinations" consist almost entirely of music you-tubes, chitchat, mild snarkativity, and warmth.  Lots of warmth from good folks, good folks who have precisely no interest in being snooped at, subjected to outlandish allegations, whatever.  Being entirely ignored would be nice.

        As for the suggestion that WB would be a good place to look for the source of soapblox problems, I can only chuckle, mostly in disbelief.  Geomoo knows better than anybody else that we're technical schlemiels & couldn't hack a tomato with a cleaver.

        The truth shall make ye fret... -William DeWorde

        by flagpole on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 04:41:18 PM PST

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        •  You should perhaps then, (1+ / 0-)
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          try to fully understand what happened.

          Again, I have no idea what geomoo is talking about re evil, I just know what happened at DD....and then the trashing of folks at DD by the 'good folks' at the Badger site. I was directed to the gossip there by folks who thought I should know I was being trashed.

          A little internet tip! If you folks want to be left alone to trash people, get a private forum, not a public site!

          •  You flatter yourself (3+ / 0-)
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            buhdydharma, funluvn1, pfiore8

            but that doesn't make it true buhdy.  Really, seriously it's not always all about you.

          •  I don't even know what happened at DD (5+ / 0-)

            really.  As for trashing people at WB, well, that's sort of their perogative as long as they pay the bill....I don't indulge, as a rule, because a) I wasn't involved in the original nonsense; and b) I kind of think the internet is a silly place to have a knife fight, with or without guns.

            Also depends on what you consider "trashing", I guess.  There are a couple folks who have received a beating or two, which I have done my best to ignore, as it's not my problem.  I haven't seen you "trashed", per se.  What I've gathered is that you made some choices that were considered unfortunate, and some people were very hurt as a result; this, in my book, is more like jilted love than hate, as it were.  But whatever:  rather less than half a percent of what has gone on at WB has ever had anything to do with you or any aspect of docudharma.

            As for public vs private, well, let's see:  we have something like 10 members who can comment, and most comments are hidden within a couple minutes; we have a goofy name that's not likely to attract a lot of attention, and subject matter that isn't going to make any outsider's socks roll up and down.  I wouldn't have even known about this whole stink if I hadn't received an e-mail:  what with the rating system and all, it's not an easy place to navigate.  I'd say that, probabilistically, that's about as private as you can get.  I have no idea how word of WB got to you, but it seems sort of likely that it wasn't by accident that the site was found:  somebody was looking REAL hard.  If they found something they didn't like, well, could be there's a moral to this story.  

            BTW, again, none of this has any bearing on my regard for you or docudharma.  I was responding to geo's allegations, not casting nasturtiums your direction.

            The truth shall make ye fret... -William DeWorde

            by flagpole on Thu Jan 08, 2009 at 05:48:05 PM PST

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