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  •  I Reluctantly Recommended Your Diary (6+ / 0-)

    because you insist on the "progressive" evasion.

    NCEC had a mission the same as what you propose but to elect liberals.  They lost my support and that of many others when they were a factor in electing Joe Lieberman for the first time.

    Are you proposing to elect conservatives and wingers pretending to be Democrats that fear being libeled as liberals?  They will be anyway.  Only Democrats call themselves progressives.  No one else does.

    Just a sore point.

    Progressive has no meaning except for those radical progressives who are generally far to the left of the Democratic Party.

    Nevertheless I wish you well in your stated goal.

    Best,  Terry

    •  hmmm (14+ / 0-)

      The goal is to elect progressives. Not fake progressives. I think we all know what that means, despite the drawbacks of labels.

      Thanks for your support. Appreciated.

      •  One thing we as a movement will have (5+ / 0-)

        to be on guard for in the coming years are the corrupt, ambitious, self serving power seekers that become "Democrats" simply because the D's are in power.

        The SGA president from my time in college was a conservative Republican at the time (c. 2004). Now, according to my friend, he's a Democrat.

        That problem will only get worse as the years go on. But PCCC could serve an important role in weeding out those power seekers.

        If God hadn't wanted us to fly, he wouldn't have given us Bernoulli's Principle.

        by HamillianActor on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 10:12:41 AM PST

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      •  My dear Adam, (4+ / 0-)
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        I think we all know what that means, despite the drawbacks of labels.

        You're kidding, right? You're on DailyKos.  We can't agree on what to have for breakfast, for Chrissakes.

        Listen to your locals. Try to listen to some locals who have been around local politics. Not exclusively, of course, but a few will be helpful to you.

        Otherwise, all the good ideas and technology in the world won't help you win elections.

        We do not rent rooms to Republicans.

        by Mary Julia on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 11:01:13 AM PST

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    •  this is why I identify myself as a progressive: (4+ / 0-)

      "Progressives shared a common belief in the ability of science, technology and disinterested expertise to identify problems and come up with the best solution."
      Progressive Era.

      It is one of the reasons I try and push space issues.

      •  Interesting thought (1+ / 0-)
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        Consider that the "Progressive Era" came about during a period of great technological change. I'm sure a better historian than I could talk at length about the influence technological change had on the progressive movement or vice verse. But what if in this new period of fundamental technological change (with social media and other aspects), we could be experiencing the beginning of a similar period?

        If God hadn't wanted us to fly, he wouldn't have given us Bernoulli's Principle.

        by HamillianActor on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 10:34:09 AM PST

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    •  I'm More Interested in Electing Socialists (6+ / 1-)

      Who call themselves "progressives."

      I'm not interested in voting for any more "moderates," "liberals" or "progressives" who are apologists and advocates for Israeli War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity.

      That's like supporting Dixiecrats in the Sixties, or worse.

    •  really? (4+ / 0-)

      Only Democrats call themselves progressives.  No one else does.

      Actually, lots of progressives abandoned the Democratic Party and joined local Green Parties.

      Then they come here to engage, and they get scorned, because they are not Democrats.

      Meanwhile, we will get to see how "progressive" our present crop of Democratic leaders is.

      Democrats have some work to do before they have the stature to claim the mantle of progressivism. Discussion of advancing progressive causes without examining why so many progressives have given up on the Democratic Party is useless.

      don't always believe what you think...

      by claude on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 11:07:29 AM PST

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      •  Even Humpty Dumpty Would Have To Bow Down (1+ / 0-)
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        Democrats have some work to do before they have the stature to claim the mantle of progressivism.

        When Hillary Clinton says she is a progressive and denies being a liberal, she means she is a Republican Lite at best, a winger at worst.

        When Russ Feingold says he is a progressive, even the most liberal senator of them all is bragging rather immodestly of being in the Wisconsin tradition of progressive that makes a Berkleyite look very conservative.

        Democrats aren't Progressives and Progressives aren't Democrats.

        When language becomes imprecise and meaningless, Republicans profit because no one is better at manipulating symbols for deleterious ends.

        I am from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.  We are unabashed liberals who admire Progressives from a short distance but we ain't them.

        Best,  Terry

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