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  •  A gift from on high (21+ / 0-)

    Thank you so much, Adam, for coming to us today.  This could be what the progressive movement needs desperately at this time.

    Our movement has a lot of interest, money, and people behind it.  What it has lacked up till now has been focus on a limited number of issues and an infrastructure that can leverage all that people power into an effective political force.

    MoveOn, while terrific in many ways, was never set up to be that infrastructure.  Your new organization sounds much more sharply targeted on progressive political power.  Count me in as an enthusiastic supporter.

    Now, we progressives will have to find some way to hash out what our movement's overall tactical and strategic policy goals should be.  MoveOn might be a good place to have this determination though not until a deeper conversation about the possibilities takes place.  The basic questions are these:

    1. Who is a Progressive?
    1. What do all Progressives stand for?

    Campaign season is over.  Barack Obama has harnessed progressive political power like no politician in our time, but his campaign is an entirely different thing from our movement.  Now that we have a government run by Democrats, it's time for us to grow up and learn to become a force to be reckoned with in national politics.  Our nation's future depends on our success.

    Our long national nightmare is almost over. Congratulations and blessings to all.

    by Dallasdoc on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 10:43:14 AM PST

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    •  To your 2 good points, (13+ / 0-)

      I would add a third:

      1. How do we "monitor" candidates who run on progressive platforms and win?  Look at Chris Carney, who took ActBlue money by basically lying about some of his positions.
      •  create a list of critical votes (1+ / 0-)
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        that reflects progressive priorities (including committee votes) and score politicians against the list.

        IOW, the same way everyone else does it. Note that creating and monitoring the list is going to be a full time job for someone.

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 07:11:09 PM PST

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    •  Exactly! What is a Progressive? (5+ / 0-)

      As I believe I am one. I was looking for a Presidential candidate that wanted to:
      1.end the Iraq and Afghan war
      2.Institute single payer healthcare.
      3.Supports the return of Glass Steagall

      While I think Obama has many great attributes, he did not support these yet is frequently labeled progressive. Same is true of HRC.

      -7.5 -7.28, What's a guy gotta do to get impeached around here?

      by Blueslide on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 12:56:49 PM PST

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      •  I had to look up the glass steafall act. (3+ / 0-)
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        And this is what the repeal brought us:

        The argument against preserving the Act (as written in 1987):

        1. Depository institutions will now operate in "deregulated" financial markets in which distinctions between loans, securities, and deposits are not well drawn. They are losing market shares to securities firms that are not so strictly regulated, and to foreign financial institutions operating without much restriction from the Act.
        1. Conflicts of interest can be prevented by enforcing legislation against them, and by separating the lending and credit functions through forming distinctly separate subsidiaries of financial firms.
        1. The securities activities that depository institutions are seeking are both low-risk by their very nature, and would reduce the total risk of organizations offering them – by diversification.
        1. In much of the rest of the world, depository institutions operate simultaneously and successfully in both banking and securities markets. Lessons learned from their experience can be applied to our national financial structure and regulation.[5]

        The repeal enabled commercial lenders such as Citigroup, which was in 1999 then the largest U.S. bank by assets, to underwrite and trade instruments such as mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations and establish so-called structured investment vehicles, or SIVs, that bought those securities.

        This is God, Do I have to come down there?

        by allenjo on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 01:07:11 PM PST

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      •  He didn't support an end to the Iraq (0+ / 0-)

        and Afghanistan war? Maybe I just daydreamed what I heard in those speeches then...

      •  Here are some big issues that separate the (1+ / 0-)
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        DLCers, and Blue Dogs  from progressives.

        1. Supports repeal of NAFTA and instituting Fair trade policies for protection of the Environment and Labor.
        1. Strongly opposes the Surveillance State (end suppression of political groups.)
        1. Doesn't believe the US has the right to determine another countries government (no more coups, no more support of Paramilitary groups)
        1. No more War on Drugs.
        1. Strongly in support of programs staying in the people's hand (NO Privatisation of public services, no privatisation of prisons and no public-private partnerships.)
        1. Media Reform (break up the media monopolies, give more public airtime to candidates and issues, journalism for information not entertainment, strong support of PBS and NPR)
        1. Strong campaign finance reform
        1. End corporate personhood.
        1. Cutting miltary budget by at least half and put more money towards humanitarian aid without strings.
        1. Use of military only in response to being directly attacked (There is a reason it is called the Defense department.)
        1. End War on Terror which defines no enemy.
        1. Free higher education - no body should be denied an education due to lack of funds.
        1. Education is for creating informed and thoughtful citizens not for free job training for business - if they want to train fine let it be on-the-job training provided by employers.
        1. Free home childcare
        1. Universal Healthcare.
        1. Ban Sprawl outright and begin planning americas cities according to sound environmental policies.
        1. The Living Wage tied to region.
        1. Ban tax encentivization that causes businesses to play and manipulate state Governments.
        1. Complete coverage of Women's health
        1. Equal pay for Equal work.
        1. Gay Rights.
        1. Immigration Reform - anybody here over five years earns citizenship.
        1.  National Rent control
        1. Repeal of recent changes in Bankruptcy law. Make pay day loans illegal. CAP interest rates on credit cards. Allow credit card contracts no longer than 3 pages long.
        1. BAN fine print on any product or contract.
        1. Set carbon goals along with the worlds most progressive countries.
        1. Free quality broadband to all houses. This is a free speech issue.

        28 Progressive taxation and elimination of regressive taxes or flat taxes.

        1. Change the farm bill to a food bill and only assist family farms.
        1. Limit or eliminate completely over reliance on pesticides.

        I am sure there are many more out there.

        Good Frames Won't Save Bad Paintings.

        by thethinveil on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 11:37:05 PM PST

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    •  Feet to the fire! (5+ / 0-)

      Now that we have a government run by Democrats, it's time for us to grow up and learn to become a force to be reckoned with in national politics.  Our nation's future depends on our success.

      This is God, Do I have to come down there?

      by allenjo on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 01:00:55 PM PST

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    •  Back to Reality (1+ / 0-)
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      Who is a Progressive?
      What do all Progressives stand for?
      Campaign season is over.  Barack Obama has harnessed progressive political power like no politician in our time, but his campaign is an entirely different thing from our movement.  Now that we have a government run by Democrats, it's time for us to grow up and learn to become a force to be reckoned with in national politics.  Our nation's future depends on our success.

      Two very great questions that have yet to have a consistant answer. Unless one goes by the CPC.
      The term has been co-opted by so many, that the def. and meaning has gotton lost or rewritten. How is one to identify a progressive candidate, if you don't have a measure by which to gauge? I don't consider Mr. Obama a progressive,though I did vote for him.
      I do however have my own gauge and it's not labeled DLC!

      •  Link doesn't work. (0+ / 0-)

        They don't pay me enough to save, and they don't pay me enough to spend. So let 'em bail their own asses out and stop blaming me. -Joy Busey

        by James Kresnik on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 03:41:29 PM PST

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        •  Link trouble (0+ / 0-)

          Not sure why, the Congressional Progressive Caucus (CPC)site link is down. But you can find them on FB,too. Thanks for the heads-up.

          Meaningful CHANGE begins with Me. ©TM

          by upcafe on Sun Jan 11, 2009 at 06:08:03 PM PST

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