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  •  Success Doesn't Matter? (2+ / 0-)
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    musing85, swegen

    Oh, the pure virtue of doing something that won't succeed and will almost certainly make things worse is reason to do it?  Even if the results are much worse in the end?

    Well, you know what they say the road to hell is paved with...

    "Dignified people, without a whimsical streak, almost never offer fresh insights, in economics or anywhere else." Paul Krugman

    by Dana Houle on Tue Jan 13, 2009 at 11:56:16 PM PST

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    •  Obviously not. (4+ / 0-)
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      expatjourno, tovan, corvo, thethinveil

      Look all around at the "success" of "the agenda"
      Nice thread jack you got going here too after your other night's performance.

      Bone upon South African History since then? LOL.

      Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance
      and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Robert Davies on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 12:33:21 AM PST

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    •  "ten honorable men" (7+ / 0-)

      an article by jerome zeifman describing the legislators and process involved in the impeaching nixon.  well worth a read and an excellent review of statesmanship vs. politics.  zeifman's description of one of the ten, the kind of democratic leader we have been wishing for the last several years:

      July 10,1974: The Democratic caucus tonight was extraordinary. One of the most moving speeches I have ever heard was made by Jim Mann of South Carolina. He spoke softly with great dignity and morality. He implored the Northern liberals to give him and other Southern Democrats a chance to help them do the right thing for the whole country. He said that the committee was too caught up in details and couldn't see the forest for the trees. He wanted a chance to confer privately with the Republicans and thereby avoid partisanship. In his statement Mann said softly, `With all of the talk here tonight about political problems, let me point out to you that of the 435 congressional districts in the United States, my South Carolina district was No. 1 in support for Nixon in the last election. I have the most heavily concentrated pro-Nixon district of any member of Congress, including the most conservative Republicans. But what I believe is at stake here is' more important than my reelection. What is at stake is our way of life and the very structure of our government....'

      i particularly liked his annecdote about jack brooks who went on to become the democratic chair of the hjc prior to conyers.  proof that at one point in time our legislators thought about more than just being elected.

    •  So, where does it stop; this total disregard... (11+ / 0-)

      of the rule of law by our highest elected officials? What entity reinstates our Constitution? Is the Bill of Rights to be carried out at the whim of a president? Any president? There will always be "political reality" attached to any impeachment. That's the nature of the beast, after all.

      Each time one of these neocon fascist criminals ascend to the White House we lose more and more civil liberties, our environment and standards of living suffer another onslaught of debilitating abuse, and the ruling class assumes a little more power over We the People.

      It's fascism and it's got to end - if not by impeachment (that ship has sailed) then by prosecution. We've already lost so very much of our democracy to greed, apathy and nihilistic delusion.

      How much more can we take?

      If the righteous are indeed allowed to write the history books, the chapters within will not only name the perpetrators of the de-democratization of America; they will also point out their co-conspirators in Congress who allowed it to happen.

      I hope Conyers, Pelosi and every other congress critter who was too worried about the presumed political price to uphold their oaths and do the right thing - indeed the democratic thing - is ready for the infamy they so richly deserve.    

      "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem." -- Abraham Lincoln

      by markthshark on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 01:04:39 AM PST

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      •  It Stops With the 17 Republicans... (0+ / 0-)

        ...who were never going to materialize to vote to get rid of Bush.  Why that's a tough concept for people to understand is baffling.  

        And you obviously no nothing about fascism.  

        "Dignified people, without a whimsical streak, almost never offer fresh insights, in economics or anywhere else." Paul Krugman

        by Dana Houle on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 06:45:22 AM PST

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        •  Regarding impeachment, I did say: "(that ship... (0+ / 0-)

          has sailed)." The chance of bringing the Bush/Cheney cabal to justice is exponentially higher in court anyway.

          As to "fascism"... you're welcome to dismiss the many axiomatic parallels between so-called fascism and Bush/Cheney rule all you want, but that sure in hell doesn't mean they don't exist.

          "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem." -- Abraham Lincoln

          by markthshark on Wed Jan 14, 2009 at 08:58:54 PM PST

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