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  •  Don't call it silliness. There are grave (2+ / 0-)
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    consequences to this madness.

    Isnt' it perverse how a believer thinks science is "evil" but if a skeptic dares to point out that it was science that diverted our energies from looking for evil as the cause of disease and death and gave us logical answers we did not need to be afraid of any more?

    Silliness, this is not.

    How any man, woman, or even child in this country can continue to enjoy the convenience, health, and safety that scientific examination and critical thinking has made possible and still have so much derision and contempt for it is not silliness.

    It's sickening.

    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

    by snafubar on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 10:27:37 AM PST

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    •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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      And the pedantic way people, politicians in particular, present their issues to the general public is even more alarming.

      To my way of thinking these people are showing the world the depth of their ignorance and lack of comprehension about science rather than positing a rational, reasoned debate, and to my mind that's silly, in the most derogatory sense of the word.

      As to grave consequences, I'm not sure... I think rationality will insert itself into students thinking once they reach the world outside, and mere peer review, both socially and scholastically will be the test of their understanding.

      Not everyone will succeed at this, and frankly not everyone has to; there's very little purpose in the scientific method in most people's everyday life, and by that I mean there's little reason to question deeply that which science has brought into their lives; cars work, they break, you get them fixed, doctors cure illnesses, computers connect to the internet, DVDs play, jets hurtle through the air.... all without the user having any kind of understanding of the forces at work behind the scenes.

      I agree there should be a barrier against the ID people foisting a theocratic based system onto the schools, but for myself I try not to get too alarmed at their intentions, and 'silly' fits my understanding very well.

      It's silly to present this bill because the Governor must know it's going to loose in court.

      It's silly for the school boards to continually try to present ID as a viable alternative to regular science because not one initiative, EVER, has made it past the lower courts which is where all these cases wind up, usually at the districts expense, something they can ill afford.

      And it's silly to have people like a sitting Governor advocate the bill, that's a great death blow to his future in politics, and was, IMO, an ill advised move because now he's been painted in his true colors, and those won't wipe off any time soon, certainly not before the next presidential election.

      •  I want you to ponder deeply what you said (1+ / 0-)
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        "there's very little purpose in the scientific method in most people's everyday life"

        That is a truly tragic statement, and i don't meant to injure you personally, because I don't think you meant it in the way I see it.

        It's not a crime to be ignorant of how something plays a part in one's daily life; truly I would be insane to think that people had to understand how everything works before they were allowed to use it.

        But to say that a person can have complete and utter contempt for the methodology of those who do understand is a totally different idea.

        And I'll say again what I think I said in my original comment; Rick Warren said that people are not welcome in his church unless they turn from their old ways - the ways of sin - and start living a life devoted to Christ. He said this in public within the last month.

        Now, if any scientific or secular body tried to deny the participation of anyone who did not surrender their faith in mysticism and legend and adopt with conviction the methodology of scientific research, they would not be able to hire enough bodyguards to stay alive longer than a week.

        So - We'll see about the "death blow" to Jindal's future in politics - this is Louisiana we're talking about, and if you have the hip-waders and the dramamine to endure a trip through the RW blogs, they've got him on the short list to be POTUS.

        It's not just that people are blind, stupid, and deliberately ignorant - they are proud of it, and they stick together to piss on anyone who's smarter than they are.

        You're thinking logically, friend, and if logic were indeed a popular mentality in this country, GWB never would have been allowed on a ballot, nevermind elected. Don't forget that.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Thu Jan 15, 2009 at 06:41:53 PM PST

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