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  •  Most democratic state in the union? (0+ / 0-)

    I was gonna ask... by what measure?

    Vermont is strongly independent and liberal but I would not call it the most democratic state in the union. I think that is a real stretch. Douglass is a Republican. Jeffords was a Republican that switched to Independent not to Democrat. And he would have been reelected handily even if he'd stayed Republican.

    Like the rest of the northeast, Vermont has little to do with the sort of Republican that controls the national Republican party but there are plenty of more traditional liberal Republicans around.

    I'd probably tab Massachusetts as the most Democratic state but there might be one or two other contenders for the prize.



    •  You might be surprised at the (2+ / 0-)

      number of serious right-wing dominionists around our state. One of them is my neighbor. He hates non-republicans - really, really hates them. He has gone out of his way to endanger his own safety to run over lawn signs placed in a non-runoverable location. And the one he couldn't run over, he got out ofhis truck and kicked over (funny thing about the way snow shows tracks).

      There are some extremely rabid wingers in our area.  Nearly all the talk radio stations around here are far-right.

      I think the big difference between VT and some other states is that those on the left here are entirely unwilling to let them gain traction, so we work our butts off every single election cycle.

      There is no place in this country that is safe from the far right.

      Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

      by mataliandy on Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 09:51:46 AM PST

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      •  Sorry, But (0+ / 0-)

        One nut running over lawn signs is not an accurate social indicator.

        And comparatively speaking, there aren't that many talk radio stations here, since so few people want to listen to them. WDEV runs the nutjobs at 11:00, but it also runs Amy Goodman (and Anthony Pollina until the last campaign). And the state has one of the strongest public radio stations in the country.

        The far right is so far from power in Vermont it's not even a topic for conversation. Most of the crazies that got elected on the anti-civil union wave have since lost (and civil unions now polls at over 70% approval statewide). And it should be remembered civil unions got some key Republican supporters (i.e., Bob Kinsey).

        •  Um, that was an example (1+ / 0-)
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          Of a neighbor who would be happy enough to kill me for my political beliefs should the opportunity arise.

          He is by far NOT the only one. I was the chair of my county democratic party, I know of what I speak.

          The far right is out of power because the left works fucking hard to keep it that way. If we rested on our laurels because we're in a "blue" state, you'd see a very different power structure.

          If you lived in my part of the state, you would note that we have more talk radio stations than we do music stations ... and WDEV is not one of them. DEV is a "liberal" station by comparison.

          I'm not sure where you live in the state, but I don't think you live anywhere near me.

          Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

          by mataliandy on Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 10:24:25 AM PST

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          •  The Far Right (0+ / 0-)

            Is out of power because it's not popular in Vermont, even with the vast majority of Republicans.

            Vermont is the state who's Republican senator told LBJ to declare victory in Vietnam and get out. Who's Republican senator worked closely with FDR in passing the New Deal. Who's Republican governor enacted Act 250, the billboard law, and one of the nation's first bottle deposit laws.

            Vermont political culture was not created whole cloth by liberal flatlanders (so says this liberal flatlander).

            And I live in Orleans County. Not exactly the People's Republic of Burlington (though I lived there for 10 years).

            •  Hmmm... (1+ / 0-)
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              Orleans isn't Burlington, but it's also not Orange or Caledonia ... or Franklin for that matter.

              So a proposal: let's have the Orange, Caledonia, and Franklin County democrats take a break from politics for a session or two, and see what the legislature looks like when they're done.

              If you want an idea, just look at the fallout from Civil Unions. It's the best example of how much "red" lurks in VT. It took only one galvanizing issue to knock democrats out of the majority for two terms, and the scramble back to the majority has been painfully difficult.

              Beware the everyday brutality of the averted gaze.

              by mataliandy on Fri Jan 16, 2009 at 10:51:16 AM PST

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