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  •  Sheer nonsense (4.00)
    The six O'Clock numbers where off in several states.  They should Kerry winning in a blowout in Wisconsin by - he barely won.  They showed NC and Co to be far closer than they were.

    The simple truth is that exit polls were designed badly.

    But that won't keep the tin foil hat crowd out today.

    PA 53   46
    FL 51   49
    NC 48   52
    OH 51   49
    MO 46   54
    AR 47   53
    MI 51   47
    NM 50   49
    LA 43   56
    CO 48   51
    AZ 45   55
    MN 54   44
    WI 52   47
    IA 49   49

    •  I agree. (none)
      Bush did better than his 2000 totals in most every state. Either the exit polls were wrong, or FL and OH broke the nationwide pattern. We already have OH voting more Democratic relative to the U.S. in '04 than '00 with these results.
    •  Just because they call it (4.00)
      Doesn't make it true. I live in NC and there is no way Bush has that kind of margin. Even Jesse Helms could barely muster more than a 2 pt victory.

      Something stinks in the e-vote.

    •  Get a Life People (1.00)
      The exit polls in most states (and the nation as a whole) were heavily skewed towards women.  Women comprised 54% of the exit polls and most certainly did not vote in those numbers. Since women are more likely to vote Dem, of course the exit polls differed from the actual vote. It's really as simple as that.  The simple fact is that the country has turned more Republican. Republicans were a higher percentage of electorate than they were in 2000 (exit polls had it at 37-37, which, for the reasons stated above, might have been too few Republicans).  So, you do the math.  

      government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall not perish from the earth...it's just on hiatus for a while

      by IronyAbounds on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:20:25 AM PST

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      •  Except... (4.00)
        Those early exit polls (at least the ones Wonkette cited) also got the Senate races right -- they called for victories by Bunning, Thune and Salazar, for instance.

        If the sample was skewed, how could they get anything right? Much less be so accurate in one class of races, and so inaccurate in another?

        The Ghost of Howard Beale -- Mad As Hell and Yadda Yadda Yadda

        by Anton Sirius on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 06:33:45 AM PST

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      •  Um, get some facts? (none)
        Women do in fact comprise a greater proportion of the population and, more importantly, ALWAYS vote in greater numbers than do men. What sources tell you the percentages were off, please?

        "An election is coming. Universal peace is declared and the foxes have a sincere interest in prolonging the lives of the poultry." -T.S. Eliot

        by segmentis on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 09:59:43 AM PST

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    •  yeah tin foil hat and all that (4.00)
      but if you look at the problem there is no good reason not to have voter reciepts except the gop keeps blocking them at every turn and we've lost 2 close races in a row in florida alone since the machines were introduced. Nevada has a paper trail, and you don't hear anybody bitchin about NV. This is a serious bipartisan issue about the basic integrity of our system. people who dismiss it as tin foil hat stuff are just making the solution harder to achieve.
      •  So the machine gives me a "receipt"... (none)
        then I show the receipt to the nice man who told me how to vote, and he (1) pays me, or (2) smiles and doesn't break my knee.

        If we must use machines, have them print out readable ballots that go into a ballot box. The machine can keep count, and count can be checked.

        The medium shapes the message --
        we need better new media, more biased toward reality.

        by technopolitical on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 11:17:35 PM PST

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        •  you don't keep your receipt (none)
          You drop your receipt in a ballot box, so there's a physical paper trail that officials can use to verify the election.  You don't keep your receipt, and no one else sees it or associates it with you.
          •  Then it should be called a "ballot" (none)
            and there should be random checks on the machine's electronic count. And one shouldn't speak of the voter getting a receipt -- this should, in fact, be made impossible.

            The medium shapes the message --
            we need better new media, more biased toward reality.

            by technopolitical on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 11:35:33 PM PST

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