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  •  I'm Jewish, and I didn't take much offense (11+ / 0-)

    to his constant referencing of Jesus.  I thought it would have been a better invocation if it was more inclusive, but if I got offended everytime I heard someone invoke Jesus, I'd get offended quite a lot.

    •  Right there with you (6+ / 0-)

      As a Pagan, if I got upset about every Christian prayer, every reference to God or Jesus etc I'd spend my whole life being offended. Not worth it. I would love to see less religion in our politics but this is the reality we live with. Nothing wrong working to change it but getting offended by it all the time is less than productive.

    •  oh well (0+ / 0-)

      you can live a life predicated on a fantasy, it's a free country.  a country who will (and has) stumbled and fumbled as it is lead by those who partake of that fantasy. as for me, i will be here to point out your delusion

      things are not more complex than we think, they are more complex than we can think.

      by markie on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 01:48:33 PM PST

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    •  Ordinarily, I do take offense... (0+ / 0-)

      ...not from hearing the name invoked, but from being pulled into it or excluded by implication.

      Far from "constant referencing," Warren didn't explicitly refer to Jesus till the end -- and then only once, although with a string of variant pronunciations. If the whole prayer hadn't been so short, I might have started to wonder if perhaps he were actually going to avoid any references to Jesus at all.

      In fact, among all the references to "we" and "us," the reference to Jesus switched to an almost unheard of first person: "I humbly ask this in the name of the one..." This is actually the classiest phrasing I've ever come across. The phrases I'm more familiar with always say "we" at this point, implying that everyone nearby is either praying to Jesus, or not participating fully.

      I also note that Warren didn't use the titles Christ, Savior, etc., which may be a further attempt to keep the reference to Jesus from being a technical foul for those not Christian.

      I'm not fooled by any of this -- if anything the subtlety only sharpens my wariness of Warren. But, given that this prayer is now part of the record of this important inauguration, it's nice for it to have been so innocuous on its face -- for a traditional, "Western" prayer.

      In terms of what's right and just, he's still among the worst who could have been given the privilege. I just have to remind myself that my ethic is inclusive, which often seems weak in the short term.

      I found the manner in which he spoke the Obamas' daughters' names unaccountably unsettling, but that's relatively minor and maybe just weird.

      But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. (Thomas Jefferson)

      by Athenocles on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 02:10:37 PM PST

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