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  •  Why would it be offensive to muslims?! (1+ / 0-)
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    by notquitedelilah on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 12:36:31 PM PST

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    •  Because Warren Said it And People Here Hate Him (0+ / 0-)

      ...as much as Warren himself hates teh gayz.

      If spittle & tooth=vigor & youth Bill-O & Savage won't grow any older If wishes & dreams=bitches & beams We'll all live in skyscrapers bu

      by TooFolkGR on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 12:37:51 PM PST

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    •  Perhaps because muslims find concept of (2+ / 0-)
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      "three in one" to be good oil and foolish re: god.

      Also ---  We Americans have been brainwashed that there is such a thing as "non-denominational" prayer which would offend none.  Sorry.  Many faiths do not have a deity. So -- to whom would you pray?  The effect of public prayer is to support the concept that there is a point to speaking it -- and someone on the other end to receive the message.

      Plus -- such prayer advertizes only male single deity -- which automatically rejects plural gods, goddess, goddesses..........

      Even Jesus chided public displays of piety -- and advocated for separation of church and state (god & caesar.)

      IMHO -- we should stop the nonsense and go back to E Pluribus Unum on our cash and as our national motto from my youth -- and edit "under God" inserted into our pledge in my youth --- right back out of it.  "Establishment" of religion = promoting one as "mainstream" and the rest as nutty minority ideas to be ignored.

      Rant over.  

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      by Neon Mama on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 01:00:52 PM PST

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      •  I can see how it can offend some people, (1+ / 0-)
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        But why Muslims?!

        I watched it with muslims, I work and live in the MidEast, and they were not offended, quite the contrary, they found it touching and inclusive.

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        by notquitedelilah on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 01:07:40 PM PST

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        •  I would GUESS that it was no more offensive (0+ / 0-)

          to muslims than to all the rest of the people he excluded.  No more offensive to any of them than all other clerical posturings to pray FOR us as if they somehow have a better hotline to a deity.

          May I speculate that the muslims you watched with in MidEast were not American citizens -- and therefore never expected to be "included" in this strictly American civic event? That makes his use of their name for Jesus into a sort of surprise "shout out" to muslims -- acknowledging their existance.

          The CITIZENS who are repeatedly "left behind" by such public displays -- are so used to it that it won't create a bonfires in the street event. Becoming used to divisiveness does not make it right.

          Christians should be, IMHO, offended by such meaningless mumblings done in inappropriate venues and against their own teachings to keep it real and keep it private.

           

          De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

          by Neon Mama on Wed Jan 21, 2009 at 08:25:06 AM PST

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