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  •  I still believe that preempting these things... (14+ / 0-) talking about them might have prevented them. And imagine the crowd in DC if Bush failed to surrender power. I think it's possible that we have overwhelmed some of their plans. Without the outcry and constant chatter about it, I think Bush would quite probably have invaded Iran. Plans were on the table. Without the outcry and the overwhelming turnout, they would have manipulated this election too. I just don't think it has been farfetched to anticipate the worst from these criminals and fight them every step of the way.

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    by nehark on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 02:47:11 PM PST

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    •  It seemed pretty inevitable that going into (12+ / 0-)

      Iran was going to be Bush's "next trick" for a little while there, but then all of a sudden there were very few in the public who were even slightly supportive and the media did not step into line at all as they had in the run up to Iraq.

      I remember a lot of people saying that the AUMF for Iraq was all for show and that Bush wasn't really going to invade.  I think that crowd re-thought their disbelieving position after Bush did indeed invade Iraq - and that people who believed that he was going in when he said he was going to resolved themselves to be much louder and aggressive the next time they saw possible danger signs - or just heard Bush say that he was going to do something that they thought would be a bad idea.

      In any case, especially on Iran I am very, very glad that the people who were certain that Bush would invade were never proved right - and I think they probably are too.  That's the kind of being wrong that I can totally live with...

      •  Good points (5+ / 0-)

        about the reasons why people may have yelled louder on Iran.  Also, it was such a scary situation because they were talking about using nukes for such an attack.

        I think Bush and Cheney were serious about Iran and would have done it if they could have.  I always figured that Admiral Fallon and Sec. Gates kept it from happening.  I think Gates somehow marginalized Cheney and convinced Bush that Cheney was certifiable.  Or something like that.

        "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

        by joanneleon on Tue Jan 20, 2009 at 06:44:15 PM PST

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        •  Imagine if on top of everything else we were (1+ / 0-)
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          in a war with Iran right now.

          Sometimes you just have to say no - loudly and firmly regardless of whether or not people believe the thing you are opposing might happen.

          I remember how many people I knew insisted that Bush would never really try to privatize Social Security.  We came "this" close and that was because people were not paying attention until the very last minute when they suddenly realized that it was indeed possible.  Imagine if on top of everything else Social Security was privatized right now.  

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