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  •  Thanks For The Planglossian Bromides (none)
    When you learn to think, post again.

    In a democracy, the people generally get the government they deserve - tant pis.

    by JJB on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 10:17:53 AM PST

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    •  Oh please - who is naive? (4.00)
      All I'm saying is, if your answer is that we keep nominating the John Kerrys of the world and then cast aspersions on humanity for not being as wise as we are and voting for them, we are doomed to cynical failure.  It is imperative that we retake control of this country.  We can't just keep running the same campaigns and crying because they don't work.  We have to TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT.  A salesman who can't sell can't blame the customers for their miserly ways - they buy stuff every day.  Learn to sell them yours.  If there's one thing our crass and greedy system has taught us, it's that people will buy absolutely anything with a catchy jingle.
      •  "The John Kerrys Of The World"? (none)
        If the American public hasn't got the brains/insight/common decency to see that he is a far better human being than George Bush, than the fault is their's, not Kerry's.  I no more rue having had the chance to vote for him than I rue casting my vote for George McGovern against Richard Nixon.

        BTW, on the one hand you want to avoid "cynical failure" (whatever that's supposed to mean), then suggest we dupe people into voting for a candidate with a catchy jingle.  That's pretty damned cynical, but then your posts aren't big on logical consistency.

        In a democracy, the people generally get the government they deserve - tant pis.

        by JJB on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 12:03:31 PM PST

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        •  The John Kerrys of the world (none)
          are people who try to be all things to all people instead of having the courage of their convictions.  Kerry had the courage of his convictions in his 20s - he's too careful now.  Of course he'd be better than Bush, and the fact that we can't get that across is our failure.  The electorate is the electorate - we have to learn to work with it as it is.

          Continuing with a failed strategy will leave us never winning (thus the failure part) and completely disillusioned with our political system (thus the cynical part).

          I don't suggest we dupe people with a jingle.  I suggest we package and market our people more effectively.

          •  No (none)
            You did suggest we dupe people with a jingle.  If that isn't what you meant to say, you need to express yourself more clearly.

            As to continuing with a failed strategy, the failed strategy that's been tried for years is trying to be a party with a power base in the North that appeals to bigoted Southerners.  I'd run Kerry again before taking on some Dixie cup who'll run away from the activist core of people who make up your commmitted base.

            In a democracy, the people generally get the government they deserve - tant pis.

            by JJB on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:58:06 AM PST

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        •  OK, so suppose you're right. (none)
          Suppose it's because Americans are dumb.  Do you actually have a plan for how we can somehow make a nation of 280 million suddenly a lot smarter, or somehow trick them into being smart?

          What I mean is, do you actually have a plan of action or are you just bitching?  Because if you think the world is just doomed, what the hell are you posting here for?  Go curl up in a ball and die already.  Or get up and fight.

          By the way, Democrats calling Bush supporters dumb is not exactly winning us any converts.  Just FYI.  And calling Bush dumb is calling his supporters dumb by implication.  Nobody likes arrogance, except maybe the arrogant.

          I think making fun of Bush when we should have been criticizing him (and I am just as guilty of this as anyone) did more damage to our cause than the Swift Boat Vets ever could.

          •  Form A National Party Infrastructure (none)
            That promotes a message, finances candidates that support it, reward those who stay on message, cut off funding for those who don't.

            That's what the Dems did during the New Deal, BTW, the GOP just used a blueprint written by LBJ and Sam Rayburn, and updated it.

            In a democracy, the people generally get the government they deserve - tant pis.

            by JJB on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:00:58 AM PST

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