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  •  Just saying that this is (6+ / 0-)

    a very difficult issue with no easy answers.  Every day that goes by we get further away from the moral high ground, but there are some (not all) honest to goodness bad guys in that place that must be dealt with in some way...

    No politician ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. PT Barnum, paraphrased...

    by jarhead5536 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:34:36 AM PST

    •  agree completely (4+ / 0-)
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      and there needs to be some sort of mechanism to find out who those bad guys are and who is not.

      and those who are the bad ones need to be dealt with.  But those who aren't.....well, if "61" were let go then there was a reason for them to be let go - especially by the Bush administration.

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      by clammyc on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:36:28 AM PST

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      •  Define bad (2+ / 0-)
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        Are any of these guys going to assemble a nuke out of toaster ovens?  

        •  Oh, I dunno, (1+ / 0-)
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          folks that drank the al Quaeda koolaid (death to America blah blah blah), have maimed or killed Americans already and won't stop until they have performed some horrific act of terrorism in the name of Allah, you know, that sort of thing...

          No politician ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public. PT Barnum, paraphrased...

          by jarhead5536 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:48:50 AM PST

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        •  you don't have to have a nuke (4+ / 0-)
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          to kill thousands of Americans.  al Qaeda showed that on 9/11, and Bush showed that through invading Iraq.

          Join this Facebook group and call for a special prosecutor for war crimes and illegal spying.

          by clammyc on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:50:28 AM PST

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        •  You mean like (3+ / 0-)
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          the A.Q. Khan network?  You won't find any of them in Gitmo.  Or any other prison, anywhere, either.

          Voting changes things. That's why they don't allow it.

          by happymisanthropy on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 09:18:39 AM PST

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          •  Yes, and AQ Khan should .... (1+ / 0-)
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            .... been killed by the CIA or Moussad a long time ago.

            We created that monster, when India with Soviet help achieved nuclear status, we in coldwar opposition to the "non-aligned" gave Pakistan a helping hand.

            So if AlQuieda gets a hold of a Paki nuke, in effect they are using our own bomb against us.

            Yes, you can actually make yourself such a threat to world peace that you need to be neutralized.

            Khan and some of his people are just that, and hopefully are out of action. We just don't know enough about behind the scenes in Paki these days. We can't even trust "our friends" there these days.

            But if Pakistan collapses, our forces will need to neutralize thier weapons, weapons manufacturing, material stockpiles and the scientists capable of rebuilding under a Taliban controlled Psycho-stan.

            That's what we pay our armed forces to do, keep us and our allies safe, by neutralizing actual threats.

      •  And I'll tell you honestly... (9+ / 0-)

        If I were a non-combatant picked up in the early days of Bush, and then kept like those who've been renditioned, and etc., have been kept?

        If and when I were released, I would no longer be a non-combatant.

        ...the so-called 61 former detainees who have "returned to the battlefield" after being released from their indefinite detention without being charged with a crime.

        I have my doubts that any of those 61 - or any other number of released former detainees pulled out of some neocons ass - were originally taken from some real or metaphorical battlefield.

        We have been led astray, and we have done evil - but that is no reflection on the competence of our chain of command ('competence', keep in mind, is a descriptor devoid of ethical or moral judgment).

        I don't think our Army and intelligence services would be releasing any actual combatants.

        And those former detainees who have "returned to the battlefield"?

        Those guys aren't our mistake.

        They're our bill.

        It ain't called paranoia - when they're really out to get you. 6 points.

        by Jaime Frontero on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:51:58 AM PST

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      •  The big problem occurs when you identify the (4+ / 0-)
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        bad guys and the bad guys were tortured. How do you prosecute?

        The only ones who should be blamed for this massive frak-up are Bush & Co. Spain and Britain seem to be able to prosecute those who committed terrorist acts through their civilian court systems and get convictions.

        •  Yes, this is the real quandry Bush left us with.. (0+ / 0-)

          ... and for the handful of the serious AQ members we actually have in custody, if they cannot be legitimately tried and given death/life w/o parole, then they will have to be sent back to Afganistan....

          ... for Karsai's forces to shoot.

          There is no way they can simply be released.

          The other 400-500-600 who are not a serious AQ zealot and threat, should be sent home (if welcome) or allowed to emigrate to one of the now numerous EU members willing to accept and help them.

          I'd like to see the new administration make a clear statment that the handful of serious AQ members will be tried and sentenced, and put to rest all the media/rethug yammering bullshit about how they will be letting Bin Laden loose in  YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD at any moment.

          Stop letting the morons run thier mouths will bullshit propaganda and cheap shots. Just be transparent as they say they want to be and come right out and make it clear that, ah , no, the hardcore nasty mass murdering psycho's are not going to be released to rape and pillage our heartland ;-)

    •  That's what laws are for. (1+ / 0-)
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      And that's why we obey them.

      Just think: if we had, we would even be able to prosecute, try, and convict the folks at Gitmo or Bagram who actually ARE guilty of crimes.

      But because we have proceeded illegally, out of an idiotic 24 wet dream, we have no hope of that. And as a bonus, we have provoked revenge from people whom we turned into budding terrorists.

      Keep your eye on the fact that the "we gotta get the bad man" scenario is what got us into this mess. It ain't gonna get us out of it.

      So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

      by khereva on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 01:20:53 PM PST

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