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  •  Cracks about international law counterproductive (2+ / 0-)
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    In World War II, international law worked very well - on the European theatre, both sides were at pains to observe the Geneva Conventions (as they stood at the time).

    International law became more ambitious after WWII, as citizen53 correctly identifies, and not all of the ambitions have been realised, no question about it.  Between WWII and Carter, human rights international law - the UN conventions etc. - were generally viewed as worthy but unrealistic.  Carter changed that, and despite relapses, human rights international law has made significant advances.

    On a broader level, international law has made clear and positive differences in the world since WWII, on a basic and work-day level, in trade, commerce, finance, freedom of movement, science, academia.

    While we look at Israel-Palestine and see the failure of international law, the I-P conflict is a special case - just like international law was crushed between the superpower conflict, so international law suffers from the fact that the last remaining superpower is engaged with one side and prevents international law from working

    γνωθι σεαυτόν

    by halef on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 07:17:49 AM PST

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    •  My only quibbles... (3+ / 0-)
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      are that in WWII, all the participants serially violated the Hague Conventions and customary international law by killing civilians by the millions.

      Also, with regard to Israel, a state created by the UN, and the only UN state subjected to calls of annihilation, without the USA it probably would have ceased to exist long ago.

      The UN is no friend to Israel anymore, and some of its agencies are downright hostile.    

      •  I doubt (1+ / 0-)
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        Israel is the only UN state subjected to calls for its annihilation. I'm sure that every state fighting every other state calls for that other state to be annihilated--I certainly remember calls for our annihilation.

        You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

        by Opakapaka on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 08:34:05 AM PST

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        •  Find an example of another UN member... (1+ / 0-)
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          that other UN member states have called for its annihilation.  I do not think you will find such an example.  

          •  Well, (0+ / 0-)

            plenty of people call for the end of the US quite regularly. We are "the great Satan" for our support of Israel at the expense of the Palestinian refugees.

            Israel didn't exist fifty years ago. It's a product of modern day colonialism. It's really the exception, there is no other country I'm aware of that was created in this century as a product of colonialism. So there is no real comparison with other countries.

            You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

            by Opakapaka on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:05:57 AM PST

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            •  I mean to say "sixty" and "in the past century." (0+ / 0-)

              You cannot depend upon American institutions to function without pressure. --MLK Jr.

              by Opakapaka on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:09:04 AM PST

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            •  Colony (0+ / 0-)

              implies that the people came as nationals of another country in order to settle the land and send resources back to the motherland.

              In politics and in history, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state.

              -wiki

              Israel was founded as a new country by people either breaking all ties with their previous citizenship, or people with no citizenship, not associated with any other "home" country, not in order to pillage or rape the land for another country, only to provide for the new citizens.

              Before Obama, chop wood and carry water. After Obama, chop wood and carry water.

              by CN on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 10:45:03 AM PST

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            •  No offense... (0+ / 0-)

              but the calls for annihilation of the USA is not made by any other state, not a bunch of people.  Israel is the only state that other states want or wanted destroyed as part of their policy, a clear violation of the UN Charter, Art. 2.4 concerning force or threats of force.

              Many countries were created out of colonialism, such as Iraq, for example.

      •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

        without the USA it probably would have ceased to exist long ago.

        Israel managed to win their independence without US help. They managed to stay independent right up through 1967 when the US started giving aid worth noticing.

        It wasn't until 1976 that Israel became, and remains, the US' largest recipient of foreign aid.

        Are you suggesting that after that wholliping defeat Israel handed to its neighbors, without US support (which only began then and can not be referenced for earlier successes), they would have been annihilated?

        ... the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.

        by Tirge Caps on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 03:16:06 PM PST

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