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  •  Well, that's a fair question (2+ / 2-)
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    if you represent yourself as a "Jew" so that you can avoid being accused of anti-Semitism. It has nothing to do with purity. I won't make a judgment about that, though.

    "Hamas is bad, but not as bad the IDF." - edtastic

    by Mikemoud Huckmadinejad on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 08:54:04 AM PST

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    •  gimme a break (0+ / 0-)

       everyone knows by Jewish law it's only your mother that counts

       and I don't represent myself as a Jew so as not to be accused of anti-Semitism, since I've never said anything that is even remotely anti-Semitic.  The very insinuation that I have, or that I might legitimately be accused of this, is a disgusting slur and you should be ashamed of yourself for sinking so low as to make it against someone who is obviously opposed to ethno-nationalism in all its forms.

       if you were any sort of man I would expect an apology

       What I have emphasized is

         * I was brought up to believe a lot of this "Israel is always right" propaganda too, and I eventually managed to get over it. You can too.
         * I'm really pissed off now that I realize there are people committing atrocities in my name. So should anyone else be. (Yes, including Palestinians. But I'm not Palestinian and while I can't stand Hamas and don't have anything good to say for most of the PLO either it's not exactly personal in the same sense.)

        just as I'm pissed off when people commit atrocities in the name of America. Anyway I wouldn't be writing about the issue so much to begin with if Israel weren't a place where many of my family grew up and some still live.

        I will add: you know, it's actually true that there are disturbing traces of anti-Semitism in this forum. It doesn't sit well with me. But boy, are some of you guys on the other side revealing yourself to be the worst conceivable ethno-nationalists. That's one thing that I was brought up to believe that I have never lost and never will. Ethno-nationalism is the scourge of this planet. I do feel that if we have an appurtenance to any ethnic group, it is our most basic ethical and political responsibility to reject those ethno-nationalists who claim to speak in our name (hopefully, before they start blowing up babies, since it generally leads to that eventually.)

    •  HR'd for false and malicious accusation. (0+ / 0-)

      David is Jewish. He is not falsely representing himself.

      You on the other hand, are engaging in serious troll behavior.

      Tinfoil! ...it's the new black!

      by mosesfreeman on Sat Jan 24, 2009 at 09:18:11 AM PST

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    •  That's exacly what he's doing. He's not Jewish. (0+ / 0-)

      I don't care what the Nazis would have considered him.  He considers himself to be non-Jewish, unless he's bashing Israel, at which point he poses as a Jew because he thinks a Jew can win more hearts and minds bashing Israel than a Lutheran, which is what he really is.  

      MLK: "When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism."

      by PJ Jefferson on Sun Jan 25, 2009 at 04:58:26 AM PST

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      •  lying (0+ / 0-)

        flagrantly like this is classic Nazi propaganda technique. If you repeat even an obviously false statement with great certainty over and over again, people will gradually begin to believe there has to be something to it.

         this is what happens on unmoderated lists where even if you prove someone's statement false, it doesn't mater, because there's always new people and new forums and if you just say it again, most of your audience won't know it's been disproved. So trolls like this will use the Goebbels technique and just out and say it again, and again, anyway

         notice how he doesn't reply to any of my actual statements but only to those of other people, so he can ignore all the actual facts of the matter.

         it's clear what's really happening here. the man is embarrassed because he's been shown to know nothing about Judaism - even the elementary principles of who's a Jew by Jewish law, even the fact of the "law of the return", which he was entirely unaware of and I had to explain to him - and wants revenge for being humiliated in public. Using Nazi propaganda techniques while flagrantly falsifying Jewish law to prove someone isn't Jewish is an act of desperate viciousness by someone who knows he will only lose any actual  argument.

         PS: Lutheran by blood? That's a new one! Even the Nazis never came up with anything like that.

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